Who are these guys???

[GimmedaBall]

Yeah, I'm speaking to the assertion that the Cards will win 9 games...people may say that, but until they're willing to put some money behind it, it's just noise.

Plenty of fans do not engage in gambling on sports. They do make predictions about how their team is going to do in the W-L column. They don't have to 'put some money behind it' to have it be more than 'just noise.'

Having a strong opinion about a team doesn't require betting money on that opinion. Some fans have the passion with zero need to visit a bookie.

 

[GimmedaBall]

Agree. The Rams see first round picks as nothing more than trading currency most of the time...and the 15 pick wasnt going to get them a starting QB in trade. so they draft Ty, sit him for a couple years to develop...and at the same time keep a division rival from getting a starting QB in the second round.
Pretty sure the coaching staff over there puts more weight on the roster spot he will occupy than the pick.

McVay wasnt thrilled with the pick. He and Stafford have a well documented friendship...im sure he didnt like the message it sends when you draft a QB in the first round. But Stafford is safe for a couple seasons.

Rams took Simpson with the #13 pick, not the #15. Also, check out the revelation about Simpson and McVay getting together before the draft and then how Simpson took the last '30' visit of the Cards just before the draft. McVay played us all with his 'reaction' after the draft. Rams needed to get a potential QB with Stafford's age/bad back. McVay gets the Academy award for acting 'upset.' LOL

 

[gimpy]

Rams took Simpson with the #13 pick, not the #15. Also, check out the revelation about Simpson and McVay getting together before the draft and then how Simpson took the last '30' visit of the Cards just before the draft. McVay played us all with his 'reaction' after the draft. Rams needed to get a potential QB with Stafford's age/bad back. McVay gets the Academy award for acting 'upset.' LOL

Maybe.

But, I'm going to wait and see who got the best qb.

 

[GimmedaBall]

Maybe.

But, I'm going to wait and see who got the best qb.

Wonder how the draft would have played out if the Rams didn't take Simpson at #13? Would the Jets or Steelers selected him in the 1st if he was still on the board?

Jets had and still have plenty of draft ammo next season to take a flyer on a possible QB and not wait until next year. Of course, with their stockpile of picks next year they will be able to make a play for any QB they want. They are into a roster rebuild that might entice a rookie QB.

Who knows what the Steelers are going to do. They are waiting on Rogers to either move into Assisted Living or play QB for them. They are paying the long-term price of years of having a winning season and mid-range draft picks.

I'm glad the Cards did not make a move up for Simpson. I like the OG we took in the 2nd and Beck in the 3rd.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Plenty of fans do not engage in gambling on sports. They do make predictions about how their team is going to do in the W-L column. They don't have to 'put some money behind it' to have it be more than 'just noise.'

Having a strong opinion about a team doesn't require betting money on that opinion. Some fans have the passion with zero need to visit a bookie.

You literally said "We should be in the running for 9-11 wins this year." This is a ridiculous assertion. The over under on their win total hovers around 4.5 wins - you think they'll DOUBLE that? Based on what?

There is a reason the phrase "put your money where your mouth is" exists. Lots of people will pop off, but the pain of losing money is a better truth serum than "trust me bro".

 

[MadCardDisease]

Gee, Harry. I see that my spelling auto-correct went from MLF to MLK and you have carried my mistake forward. The civil rights icon was not known to coach NFL football. LOL.

Also, it's not the roster that MLF needs to be leery of. It's the dude sitting behind the owner's desk.

Fixed it for you guys.

 

[GimmedaBall]

You literally said "We should be in the running for 9-11 wins this year." This is a ridiculous assertion. The over under on their win total hovers around 4.5 wins - you think they'll DOUBLE that? Based on what?

There is a reason the phrase "put your money where your mouth is" exists. Lots of people will pop off, but the pain of losing money is a better truth serum than "trust me bro".

I'll be glad to provide an answer to your question as soon as you answer the one you left hanging in this same thread:

"Why do you think the Rams would consider ANY team competing for draft assets to be irrelevant? Especially when it comes to a future QB."

Take a look at the info that came out regarding Simpson meeting with McVay and then taking a '30' visit with the Cards. What do you think went on after Simpson walked out of the meeting with the Cards??? Do you think maybe he got on the phone to McVay and let his future HC know what the Cards were going to do???

 

[kerouac9]

Do you think maybe he got on the phone to McVay and let his future HC know what the Cards were going to do???

No

 

[ASUCHRIS]

"Why do you think the Rams would consider ANY team competing for draft assets to be irrelevant? Especially when it comes to a future QB."

Yes, if you frame the Rams consideration of the Cardinals in the context of the Cardinals potentially picking a player they'd want, then I suppose you can say that that is an example of the Rams caring what the Cardinals do. Other than that incredibly limited framework, the Rams have much bigger fish to fry.

Take a look at the info that came out regarding Simpson meeting with McVay and then taking a '30' visit with the Cards. What do you think went on after Simpson walked out of the meeting with the Cards??? Do you think maybe he got on the phone to McVay and let his future HC know what the Cards were going to do???

No, I don't.

 

[oaken1]

Rams took Simpson with the #13 pick, not the #15. Also, check out the revelation about Simpson and McVay getting together before the draft and then how Simpson took the last '30' visit of the Cards just before the draft. McVay played us all with his 'reaction' after the draft. Rams needed to get a potential QB with Stafford's age/bad back. McVay gets the Academy award for acting 'upset.' LOL

oh I agree... but he and Matt are friends..he had to look upset so Matt didnt get his panties in a wad...managing egos is all part of the job... but im certain McVay has been looking past Staffords time with the rams for a couple years now...and he has to feel better about finally having that base covered.

 

[oaken1]

You literally said "We should be in the running for 9-11 wins this year." This is a ridiculous assertion. The over under on their win total hovers around 4.5 wins - you think they'll DOUBLE that? Based on what?

There is a reason the phrase "put your money where your mouth is" exists. Lots of people will pop off, but the pain of losing money is a better truth serum than "trust me bro".

my position is simply that the 2025 season was an outlier and we should be right back on the track we were headed down when 2024 ended...and that would put us in the running for about 10 wins and a shot at a WC berth

we have the same players, added more talent, the young guy got experience and an off season to develop...and whatever the hell happened between kyler and gannon and fudge all last season is behind us and all parties are departed.
so we should be right back on track. Zero reason to think we are not.

Vegas is playing the money..thats all

 

[kerouac9]

my position is simply that the 2025 season was an outlier and we should be right back on the track we were headed down when 2024 ended...and that would put us in the running for about 10 wins and a shot at a WC berth

we have the same players, added more talent, the young guy got experience and an off season to develop...and whatever the hell happened between kyler and gannon and fudge all last season is behind us and all parties are departed.
so we should be right back on track. Zero reason to think we are not.

Vegas is playing the money..thats all

We do not. The quarterback is kind of a big difference

 

[oaken1]

We do not. The quarterback is kind of a big difference

youre the stats guy.

break it down...
what?? 2 wins?
But briskett wins every other category and played with a worse roster.
and we all know that whats between the ears will more than make up for any physical shortcomings... Kyler wasnt the team leader.

thats a clear case of addition by subtraction

 

[some dumb guy]

We do not. The quarterback is kind of a big difference

Absolutely, about 4-7 inch's depending on who starts

 

[ASUCHRIS]

my position is simply that the 2025 season was an outlier and we should be right back on the track we were headed down when 2024 ended...and that would put us in the running for about 10 wins and a shot at a WC berth

Where exactly did we improve from 2024-25? RG? RB? QB room is a downgrade. You're expecting us to more than double our win total with essentially the same awful defense (minus Thompson, one of our better defenders) and a worse QB situation. There is hopium, and this is bordering on delusion. Sure, maybe all of Monti's picks turn from pumpkins to studs, but what are the odds of that?

Vegas is playing the money..thats all

If you take your Cardinal color glasses off, you'll see that every major post draft projection has us as a bottom 3 team. We have one of the 3 hardest schedules based on the results of last year. If sharps really thought that the Cards were a sure thing to improve, wouldn't the line be moving?

 

[kerouac9]

youre the stats guy.

break it down...
what?? 2 wins?
But briskett wins every other category and played with a worse roster.
and we all know that whats between the ears will more than make up for any physical shortcomings... Kyler wasnt the team leader.

thats a clear case of addition by subtraction

I mean I know you don’t want to compare win percentages.

Brissett lead the Cards to a 1-11 finish. Kyler was 13-17 under Gannon/Petzing.

It’s deranged to assert that Brissett is better than Kyler in absolute terms.

 

[Delmar M Lewis]

Looks like Simpson was in with the Rams before the draft.

MSN

Also looks like he pranked the Cards while doing so. (Narrative courtesy of AI query when asked about information regarding Simpson's Top 30 visit with the Cards. LOL)

"Alabama quarterback Ty Simpson had his final pre‑draft Top 30 visit with the Arizona Cardinals on Wednesday, April 15, 2026 nhanfl.com+1. This was the last day allowed for draft prospects to meet with teams before the 2026 NFL Draft, making it a high‑stakes stop in the Cardinals’ search for a long‑term quarterback after moving on from Kyler Murray earlier in the offseason nhanfl.com+1.

The visit came just days before the draft, with the Cardinals holding the No. 3 overall pick but speculation that they might trade back into the late first round to secure Simpson’s services nhanfl.com+1. The meeting was widely reported as a priority target for the team, and it added fuel to rumors that Arizona could use draft capital to land him before other quarterback‑needy franchises On3.com+1.

In short, the “30” visit happened on April 15, 2026, marking the final opportunity for prospects to meet with teams before the draft."

Maybe the Cards can get back the cost of that visit? Wonder which player we missed out on having in for a '30' visit that was taken by Simpson. Did Simpson report back to the Rams after his 30 visit and let them know what the Cards were planning to do? Now there' some conspiracy for you.

There was a report the Rams had a "Secret" meeting with Simpson om Thurs if so would this not violate draft Top 30 visit rules seem suspicious to me

 

[oaken1]

Where exactly did we improve from 2024-25? RG? RB? QB room is a downgrade. You're expecting us to more than double our win total with essentially the same awful defense (minus Thompson, one of our better defenders) and a worse QB situation. There is hopium, and this is bordering on delusion. Sure, maybe all of Monti's picks turn from pumpkins to studs, but what are the odds of that?

If you take your Cardinal color glasses off, you'll see that every major post draft projection has us as a bottom 3 team. We have one of the 3 hardest schedules based on the results of last year. If sharps really thought that the Cards were a sure thing to improve, wouldn't the line be moving?

I dont think the QB room did downgrade.

look up, " addition by Subtraction"
Murray was toxic to the room and the team IMO...moving him out will make the entire team better.

There was obviously something going on between kyler and management early last season..anybody paying attention saw it...
Like kyler unsure if he would be here in two years..and mentioning it to the press...
That friction affects the entire team...
the team was like a bunch of kids, living through mom and dad getting a divorce. that affects focus, learning, and motivation... which shows up all over the field on sundays.

at the end of 2024,..we were on an upward trajectory... its not a stretch to think we can resume that trajectory now that the drama is aired out and cleansed...and the young players are back on track,...back from injuries, and freshly motivated with a new young coach.
Hopefully one that wont hit them on the sidelines for making a bonehead mistake....and oh, yeah.... that type of action affects the entire locker room too...for a long time.

this team should be superior to last year just based on the improvements between their ears...
they should be better than last year just based on all the injured players returning.

if you write off 2025 as an outlier year...a disaster, yes,...but an outlier disaster... its easy to see them right back on the the trajectory from 2024,...
and that has us tracking for 10 wins

 

[oaken1]

I mean I know you don’t want to compare win percentages.

Brissett lead the Cards to a 1-11 finish. Kyler was 13-17 under Gannon/Petzing.

It’s deranged to assert that Brissett is better than Kyler in absolute terms.

deranged?? Cute.

Im not going to insult your intelligence by pointing out that they were not playing with the same team. That hardly seems necessary...nor possible.
But its true.
Two completely different teams.

 

[kerouac9]

this team should be superior to last year just based on the improvements between their ears...
they should be better than last year just based on all the injured players returning.

I think we all agree the team will be better than last year. The question is whether we’ll be better than 2024; I don’t really get that argument based on the evidence.

It’s not the same team. The 2026 edition will have an offensive line without Hernandez or Evan Brown. The defense will be without Kyzir White and Jalen Thompson.

 

[kerouac9]

deranged?? Cute.

Im not going to insult your intelligence by pointing out that they were not playing with the same team. That hardly seems necessary...nor possible.
But its true.
Two completely different teams.

If that’s the case, why would you assume the momentum or trajectory from 2024 would carry over?

 

[GimmedaBall]

Good to see we have a lot of reaction and opinions. Here's my response to ASUCHRIS:

Glad to see you finally acknowledge the FACT that the Rams take into account the actions of the Cards during the draft.

(1) Do you have any idea how the entry-level betting line is set for future odds on the season-ending final ‘W-L’ a year into the future? Your ‘4.5' is a starting point to get gamblers to start placing their bets and for Vegas to adjust the odds. That is not a predictor how the season will end. It is a number to get the bets rolling in which will be modified depending upon how many bets come in over or under that figure. So, stop quoting that ‘4.5' as some sort of magic number as to how many games the Cards are going to win and that we have to abide by.

(2) People who DO NOT gamble do not buy into the chest-thumping about ‘putting your money where your mouth is.’ They prefer to put their money where the food and rent are paid. No more posturing about how manly it is to bet. The non-gamblers are not buying it. I gamble on the games and I'm not buying it.

(3) I already listed several points as to why we need to be optimistic about the upcoming season. I’m not going to rehash them here—look ‘em up on some of the other threads.

I’ll add this to the mix:

We are onto year 4 of the roster rebuild under MO. We went from 4 wins to 8 wins and then had our season crash in season 3 because of the historical number of injuries. That 9 wins + was the expectation for year 3, not year 4. We’ve added more talent and will have the walking wounded return. We kept the DC, and now guys are into year 4 of the D-scheme. Players like Cody Simon got a crash course in calling the D as a result of injuries. We now have two guys capable of ‘wearing the dot.’ Note the lack of roster churn even with a new HC/offense play caller. MO is calling the shots on the roster, and he’s getting the guys he wants.

Our young players got valuable learning via real game playing time last year because of the injuries. Those ‘Ls’ provided some hard-earned value since we now have a lot of guys from starters to backups with playing experience under their belt. We got a bunch of young and hungry---and experienced players—looking to make their mark and erase that losing record from last year. We are going to be the ‘surprise’ team in the NFL.

JB earned the chance to be the starter. Even with that 1-11 record. The team rallied around him, and our O was respectable even in defeat. His numbers were not ‘garbage time’ stats. D’s saw our makeshift line and street FA RB and saw their chance to pad their sack totals and INTs. They were not playing ‘vanilla’ defense to just wind down the game—they came after JB. They knew JB was going to have to pass—he took a beating but earned the respect of his teammates by standing in the pocket and getting historical numbers for TB and jump-starting MW’s career. Pay the dude as a starter—and let him start. Forget the age. KW was an old dude when he came in and earned the job over ML.

The other change was saying good-bye to KM. Coaches and players no longer have to tiptoe around KM and his needs, his playing style, his preferred playbook. We can go back to a HC calling the shots and not a co-owner of the team as the focus and sucking the air out of the stadium.

The other teams are going to come back to the pack as injuries/retirements/internal drama erode their chemistry. Stafford’s bad back, RB Cmac overuse, Darnold running out of luck—will bring our Division back to earth. Ditto the other teams on our schedule.

That’s a start on why we are going to complete the year 3 trajectory and get to 9 and maybe more wins in year 4 of MO.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Good to see we have a lot of reaction and opinions. Here's my response to ASUCHRIS:

Glad to see you finally acknowledge the FACT that the Rams take into account the actions of the Cards during the draft.

(1) Do you have any idea how the entry-level betting line is set for future odds on the season-ending final ‘W-L’ a year into the future? Your ‘4.5' is a starting point to get gamblers to start placing their bets and for Vegas to adjust the odds. That is not a predictor how the season will end. It is a number to get the bets rolling in which will be modified depending upon how many bets come in over or under that figure. So, stop quoting that ‘4.5' as some sort of magic number as to how many games the Cards are going to win and that we have to abide by.

(2) People who DO NOT gamble do not buy into the chest-thumping about ‘putting your money where your mouth is.’ They prefer to put their money where the food and rent are paid. No more posturing about how manly it is to bet. The non-gamblers are not buying it. I gamble on the games and I'm not buying it.

(3) I already listed several points as to why we need to be optimistic about the upcoming season. I’m not going to rehash them here—look ‘em up on some of the other threads.

I’ll add this to the mix:

We are onto year 4 of the roster rebuild under MO. We went from 4 wins to 8 wins and then had our season crash in season 3 because of the historical number of injuries. That 9 wins + was the expectation for year 3, not year 4. We’ve added more talent and will have the walking wounded return. We kept the DC, and now guys are into year 4 of the D-scheme. Players like Cody Simon got a crash course in calling the D as a result of injuries. We now have two guys capable of ‘wearing the dot.’ Note the lack of roster churn even with a new HC/offense play caller. MO is calling the shots on the roster, and he’s getting the guys he wants.

Our young players got valuable learning via real game playing time last year because of the injuries. Those ‘Ls’ provided some hard-earned value since we now have a lot of guys from starters to backups with playing experience under their belt. We got a bunch of young and hungry---and experienced players—looking to make their mark and erase that losing record from last year. We are going to be the ‘surprise’ team in the NFL.

JB earned the chance to be the starter. Even with that 1-11 record. The team rallied around him, and our O was respectable even in defeat. His numbers were not ‘garbage time’ stats. D’s saw our makeshift line and street FA RB and saw their chance to pad their sack totals and INTs. They were not playing ‘vanilla’ defense to just wind down the game—they came after JB. They knew JB was going to have to pass—he took a beating but earned the respect of his teammates by standing in the pocket and getting historical numbers for TB and jump-starting MW’s career. Pay the dude as a starter—and let him start. Forget the age. KW was an old dude when he came in and earned the job over ML.

The other change was saying good-bye to KM. Coaches and players no longer have to tiptoe around KM and his needs, his playing style, his preferred playbook. We can go back to a HC calling the shots and not a co-owner of the team as the focus and sucking the air out of the stadium.

The other teams are going to come back to the pack as injuries/retirements/internal drama erode their chemistry. Stafford’s bad back, RB Cmac overuse, Darnold running out of luck—will bring our Division back to earth. Ditto the other teams on our schedule.

That’s a start on why we are going to complete the year 3 trajectory and get to 9 and maybe more wins in year 4 of MO.

Ha, ok. I answered your question, and you followed by writing a book and not answering my question.

I hope you're right, but expect you to be disappointed.

 

[kerouac9]

Cards passing offense ranked 7 in yardage and TDs and 1st in attempts. Definitely a Kobe-esque high-volume passing game.

 

[oaken1]

If that’s the case, why would you assume the momentum or trajectory from 2024 would carry over?

because this years team will actually be closer to the 24 team than the 25 team, IMHO

assuming of course...we avoid the massive injury assault and dont have to call the insurance salesmen to come back and play again