Charmin Marvin Harrison Jr Thread

[Crimson Warrior]

Maybe he got sick and tired of failing.

Anger can overcome fear. Or can provide a certain clarity of purpose.

But yeah super happy for him to bounce back some.

 

[Russ Smith]

I'm not out on MHJ yet, but that sideline shot after the bobble tells me all I need to know about where his mental state is. Like Herbstreet said on the broadcast, he has to slow his mind down and simplify things.

He has elite talent. That much is undeniable. But there's something in his head that's killing him, whether it be his cohorts performing better, trying the live up to expectations, or being the son of a HoFer.

I don't thnk he has elite talent. I think he has elite size, but I don't think he's nearly as fast as we thought he was and he's a long strider so he's got no wiggle.

Last 2 drives he was good I just hope he finally has figured it out we need him badly

 

[HairZach]

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If hes going to get absolutely no separation he has to be able to do this.

 

[kerouac9]

6 for 66 and a TD should be disappointing

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

6 for 66 and a TD should be disappointing

For this offense... that stat line is a major success.

 

[HairZach]

Does anyone else notice that Marv doesn't put in his mouthpiece on run plays?

 

[HairZach]

6 for 66 and a TD should be disappointing

4th best game of his career. Its promising compared to what we've seen so far.

 

[DVontel]

Does anyone else notice that Marv doesn't put in his mouthpiece on run plays?

A lot of WRs from High School on up don’t do it nowadays.

 

[HairZach]

A lot of WRs from High School on up don’t do it nowadays.

I'd need to watch more, but I'm kinda worried that he only puts it in when the ball is coming to him.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

idfk - first drop was cowardly and that was after last week but then made some nice grabs - he might be like kyler - great one minute but mid most of the time

no separation + no concentration = bust

 

[unseenaz]

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It means a lot to this dude - I think it's all mental, drops were never a concern in college.

 

[FB94]

Really want MH to succeed and turn a corner this year. To me he has always dominated at each level and never really experienced real competition for an extended period of time. The NFL is top shelf competition everyday and he obviously is questioning his ability at times. His face says it all. His reaction after that TD was pure stress leaving his body. He has the talent but between the ears is his biggest weakness right now. Once he steels his mind and finds that inner dog he will be the player we hope he can be.

 

[602 Native]

Dude doesn’t know plays and gives up on routes.

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[Big D]

I guess I’m super old school but after the bobble INT I was like sit his ass down. I had had enough.

But I guess they don’t do that anymore these days. He did figure it out thank the Lord.

 

[JosiahLee]

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If hes going to get absolutely no separation he has to be able to do this.

He does look so slow. But yeah the throw and catch were amazing. Sad that connection is so rare.

 

[SoonerLou]

Is Tee Higgins the best case scenario?

 

[Russ Smith]

A lot of WRs from High School on up don’t do it nowadays.

But if he does it on run plays he's tipping the plays. Ages ago but the Cards were playing the Cowboys and Cowboys RB Ron Springs was doing that the whole game, mouthpiece in on runs, out on passes. The Cards never figured it out but the rest of the NFL watched film of that game and figured out Springs was tipping the pass or run with his mouthpiece

 

[Russ Smith]

Is Tee Higgins the best case scenario?

Decent comparison. He does get TD's but he's just not as fast as we were told he was. even the TD's he's almost never got much separation

 

[HairZach]

Dude doesn’t know plays and gives up on routes.

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Even before he gave up completely, he was running that route half speed the entire time. That or he really is just dirt slow.

 

[daves]

Dude doesn’t know plays and gives up on routes.

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It kinda looks as though once Witherspoon grabbed him and slowed him on his route (could've been called defensive holding!) he figured he wasn't open or in the right spot, so Murray wouldn't throw it his way. Not an excuse for stopping on the route or fighting to separate, though!

Also, he needs to get better at not letting minor to moderate contact knock him off his route - as was noted in one of the college scouting reports someone posted, and as Kurt Warner alluded to in breaking down why he and Murray didn't connect on the would-be 99-yard bomb vs. Carolina. He's got the size and especially since he bulked up, he needs to stay on his route unless the contact is so blatant that the officials can't miss it.

 

[BritCard]

6 for 66 and a TD should be disappointing

Very true. But when you have a QB that is averaging 185 yards per game through 4 games this is about as good as it gets.

 

[D-Dogg]

Very true. But when you have a QB that is averaging 185 yards per game through 4 games this is about as good as it gets.

He's had two MASSIVE career worst plays ever drops in the last two weeks, one turned into an INT, one would have been a long TD.

Who got him the ball on those? K1 isnt a star, but MHJ is not who I begged us to draft.

 

[BritCard]

He's had two MASSIVE career worst plays ever drops in the last two weeks, one turned into an INT, one would have been a long TD.

Who got him the ball on those? K1 isnt a star, but MHJ is not who I begged us to draft.

A distraction. Even without those Kyler's YPA is still trash and his tendency to check down when he has better options is evident.

Offenses run through quarterbacks. They affect everything in both directions. They affect what the OC calls, they affect how the WR's perform. Imagine being the 1st read on a play and you run a perfect 15 yard route that's on time, only to look back and see your QB came off you half a second earlier and checked it down for no gain. Imagine that happening several times a game across the whole WR corp. How thrilled would you be?

Imagine you don't see a target for 2 quarters and your suddenly expected to catch a ball thrown behind you on 3rd down that hits you in hands and everyone says "He should have caught that", and maybe you would had it been on target and you hadn't already run 18 routes without a look.

At the moment Kyler is sucking the life out of this offense, for everyone. And it's not because of the flaws in his game, it's because he's scared to throw the ball beyond 5 yards unless we're getting spanked or we're up so much the consequences don't matter.

So I'm not mad at Marv. I think Marv is soul crushingly disappointed to be in such an underpowered passing offense.

Look at this. It's not great in any quarter but you cannot win games with a YPA less than 4 through the first half of a game. Even when he "turned it on" in Q4 it's still bad for most QB's.

Quarter	Attempts	Pass Yards	YPA
1st​	9​	31​	3.44​
2nd​	12​	52​	4.33​
3rd​	7​	33​	4.71​
4th​	13​	84​	6.46​

 

[BACH]

6 for 66 and a TD should be disappointing

Based on what?

 

[Proteus]

6 for 66 and a TD should be disappointing

I think 6 catches for 66 yards would be a good per game average (102 catches for 1122 yards over the course of a 17 game season).