The 2025 NBA playoffs

[Hoop Head]

Joker was 4/6 in the 4th quarter the rest of the nuggets were 1/15 in the 4th

Are you arguing Jokic was hurting his team last night? Cause that is ridiculous

I'm saying Denver has 1 ring. Jokic is always excused because Murray didn't show up, MPJ sucks, or Aaron Gordon had a bad game. If Jokic were as great as some here claim then he would have carried his team further over the years. He has 1 Finals appearance, which he did win and deserves credit for that but he also has choked (2 missed FT at the end of game 4). He's also not a good defender. He's average at best.


Look at the discussion here, OKC loses and Shai is catching strays. Denver loses and "Poor Jokic needs help".

 

[GatorAZ]

I'm saying Denver has 1 ring. Jokic is always excused because Murray didn't show up, MPJ sucks, or Aaron Gordon had a bad game. If Jokic were as great as some here claim then he would have carried his team further over the years. He has 1 Finals appearance, which he did win and deserves credit for that but he also has choked (2 missed FT at the end of game 4). He's also not a good defender. He's average at best.


Look at the discussion here, OKC loses and Shai is catching strays. Denver loses and "Poor Jokic needs help".

The Nuggets are a poorly run franchise. They have 6 playable guys and it’s probably closer to 5. It would be like ripping Nash for Sarver’s putrid decision making in the mid-2000’s.

 

[Hoop Head]

The Nuggets are a poorly run franchise. They have 6 playable guys and it’s probably closer to 5. It would be like ripping Nash for Sarver’s putrid decision making in the mid-2000’s.

They've made some dumb moves but ultimately they have drafted well. Braun, Strawther, and Watson are all rotation players playing over 20 minutes a night. The Suns could have done more to surround Nash with talent also. Nash isn't on the same level as Jokic as a player. Most non Suns fans would say Jokic is much better than Nash. When a stars team continually falls short, the star should be questioned. People do that with the Sixers and Embiid, who have been worse managed than Denver. So why not Jokic?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Ridiculous since I've been nothing but objective in the entire conversation.

Lol… no you haven’t been. Truth is you are the least objective anything about any athlete from the state of Oklahoma. I remember you going apoplectic back in the day when I dared to say Jason White would never be an NFL QB and you claimed I had to have a vendetta against OU to say such a thing. And you’ve only doubled down on your lack of objectivity since then with everything from being the President of Sam Bradford’s fan club to Captain of the Kyler Cheer squad. And now this. At least here, you do have a leg to stand on for once as SGA is LEGIT great. But the denigration and fundamental misunderstanding of what and how Jokić plays is a result of your usual homerism.

And there’s nothing wrong with that… but to claim objectivity here and call others ridiculous for pointing out the lack of it is comical.

 

[ajcardfan]

Joker was 4/6 in the 4th quarter the rest of the nuggets were 1/15 in the 4th

Are you arguing Jokic was hurting his team last night? Cause that is ridiculous

I think OKC has been playing Denver correctly. Play Jokic mostly straight up and minimize open shots for the others.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I think OKC has been playing Denver correctly. Play Jokic mostly straight up and minimize open shots for the others.

Outside of two monster games, I do too. And even in those mobster games, they are making him work HARD for everything.

 

[Hoop Head]

Eddie must be an OKC fan also....

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[Proximo]

Really? Seriously?

I'm cherry picking a little, but in the three games prior to last night, Jokic was like 25 for 75 shooting the ball. Really, really awful and terrible.

I'm not saying Jokic hasn't out played SGA in the series (would love to see each players series stats (including TOs), but changing your MVP vote after Jokic stinking up the court in games two, three and four seems a little unfair.

There is a big difference - Jokic is getting 2 and 3 players running at him, because other than Murray and Gordon you want the other guys on Denver to take shots. That is not the case with OKC. Despite this Jokic still is getting rebounds and assists, SGA's contribution outside of scoring is a lot less.

I have been very disappointed with SGA's performance, a guy like Jalen Brunson has looked 4 times as good as him in the playoffs.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Ridiculous since I've been nothing but objective in the entire conversation.

Sorry if you're having a bad day, but go peddle your papers somewhere else ouchie.

No bad day, I have no dog in this fight. Just impressed at your ever-present homerism. It truly knows no bounds.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Got to love the appeal to emotion to try to convince you you're wrong. Shai being the MVP this year seems to show it's not a clear that Jokic is head and shoulders above Shai. I guess when Denver is sent fishing and Jokic is at home with horses though Shai will be able to prove why he's still standing this postseason.

Yes it would be a testament to shai’a dominance over jokic because his 68 win team ousted a 50 win team. What a ridiculous argument, as usual.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Lol… no you haven’t been. Truth is you are the least objective anything about any athlete from the state of Oklahoma. I remember you going apoplectic back in the day when I dared to say Jason White would never be an NFL QB and you claimed I had to have a vendetta against OU to say such a thing. And you’ve only doubled down on your lack of objectivity since then with everything from being the President of Sam Bradford’s fan club to Captain of the Kyler Cheer squad. And now this. At least here, you do have a leg to stand on for once as SGA is LEGIT great. But the denigration and fundamental misunderstanding of what and how Jokić plays is a result of your usual homerism.

And there’s nothing wrong with that… but to claim objectivity here and call others ridiculous for pointing out the lack of it is comical.

Agreed, and I will 100% agree that SGA is freaking fantastic. I wanted to trade for him instead of bridges back in the day. But he’s not jokic. No one is right now.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Eddie must be an OKC fan also....

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Having a down game is a feature of virtually every player ever.

 

[BirdGangThing]

i'd feel better about the knicks chances against the pacers if they had played better today

 

[Dback Jon]

Kuminga keeping the Warriors in it

 

[Russ Smith]

Kerr it's an elimination game if your veteran star tells you it's our ball challenge the call. Divincenzo knocks it out, they don't challenge, he hits a 3 and the replay proves it was Warriors ball. We're down 7 instead of 4 or less because you didn't trust Jimmy Butler in an elimination game?

 

[Hoop Head]

Yes it would be a testament to shai’a dominance over jokic because his 68 win team ousted a 50 win team. What a ridiculous argument, as usual.

Except Jokic's teams continually fall short. He's a great player but he isn't someone who carries his team far. He has really good players around him but other than 1 run where the Nuggets faced a bunch of low seeded teams, who has Jokic beat in the playoffs? Shai is in year 2 building his legacy while Jokic is reaching the end of his prime.

That 68 win Thunder team didn't have their #2 for 50 games, didn't have their backup C for 30 games, and still set an NBA record for point differential. Shai is the motor of that team.

 

[Hoop Head]

Having a down game is a feature of virtually every player ever.

Remember that statement next time you or your brother wants to talk about game 7 vs Dallas, ok?

 

[Crimson Warrior]

There is a big difference - Jokic is getting 2 and 3 players running at him, because other than Murray and Gordon you want the other guys on Denver to take shots. That is not the case with OKC. Despite this Jokic still is getting rebounds and assists, SGA's contribution outside of scoring is a lot less.

I have been very disappointed with SGA's performance, a guy like Jalen Brunson has looked 4 times as good as him in the playoffs.

In truth I've been a little disappointed too.

I think the extra-physical style of the playoffs takes away from Shai's mid-range/drive-to-the-basket game some, and he's taking taking too many threes to try to compensate. 2-14 from three over the last three games! oof!

Look it's been a great great series so far Proximo, and I'll just leave it at I'm super duper looking forward to the Joker and Shai dueling again tomorrow night.

 

[Russ Smith]

Warriors offense seems to be find Naz Reid and attack him, had success with both Kuminga and Jimmy beating him off the bounce. Bunch of good looks from 3 that missed, they're getting good shots.

Defense has been bad, especially the zone, gave 2 wide open 3's to Ant.

Stop turning the ball over, and stop passing up layups to kick the ball out just take the layup

 

[Russ Smith]

can't get a stop and some really dumb plays. Draymond takes a contested corner 3 then doesn't run back and Buddy fouls Randle for an and1.

They hit 4 3's under 2 seconds on the shot clock . Difference in the game is really the 3's, W's 4-19, Minnesota 8-19.

Just don't see enough firepower to get back in it and they can't stop them, 61 percent in the half. Nobody has been able to guard Randle the whole series, I say put Butler on him

 

[GatorAZ]

Except Jokic's teams continually fall short. He's a great player but he isn't someone who carries his team far. He has really good players around him but other than 1 run where the Nuggets faced a bunch of low seeded teams, who has Jokic beat in the playoffs? Shai is in year 2 building his legacy while Jokic is reaching the end of his prime.

That 68 win Thunder team didn't have their #2 for 50 games, didn't have their backup C for 30 games, and still set an NBA record for point differential. Shai is the motor of that team.

So the argument that he’s not an all time great is because he hasn’t led his franchise (that had never made a finals before he got there) to multiple championships? Nobody is saying he’s top-5 all time.

 

[Russ Smith]

tough enough to win as it is without your coach twice not challenging plays. As the announcer said Hield didn't touch Gobert that should have been our ball but Kerr didn't challenge

 

[Cheesebeef]

So the argument that he’s not an all time great is because he hasn’t led his franchise (that had never made a finals before he got there) to multiple championships? Nobody is saying he’s top-5 all time.

Anyone saying he’s not an all-time great is in the miniscule minority of sports fans at this point.

Doesn’t mean he’s top 5, top 10 or even top 15 of all time, but anywhere after that I’d think he’d at least have an argument in the next 16-30 players ever area.

I mean, the guy has never had ONE All-Star playing next to him and he’s still consistently gotten out of the first round, made two WCF and won a title.

 

[Russ Smith]

Terrible effort on D and Minnesota is really good but that's now 3 times a veteran player is telling Kerr to challenge a call, he doesn't they hit a 3 twice and a 2 the other time and all 3 calls probably get reversed(obviously you can't challenge all 3).
You can't complain about effort if the coach isn't helping the team out

The key to the series other than Curry is Randle, they just couldn't guard him

 

[Russ Smith]

Post catches that ball it's a dunk and a 10 point game. This is crazy the bench unit making a run.

I;m guessing that's not a flagrant. It could be but probably not