2023 Phoenix Suns Offseason

[ASUCHRIS]

Here's hoping the guarantee on Paul is to make it easier to move him. Paying CP 30M next year would be criminal mismanagement. He's nowhere near a 30M guy anymore.

I heard Marks talking about waiving and stretching, but then re-signing?

 

[Folster]

The only way I see this making sense is if they value CP3's expiring $30M contract more than the flexibility that waiving and stretching him provides.

 

[Covert Rain]

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If the Suns are going to guarantee CP3's contract, I have to imagine they are determined to bring in another PG. If not? This is a huge mistake. I am not saying they could realistically move him but it's a huge mistake. You can't count on CP3. This means we MUST improve the backup PG position with someone solid or who could potentially start. Someone better than Cam Payne.

Also, doesn't this guarantee we are moving Ayton? If the Suns are about to absorb a 30.8 Million dollars hit on the cap, there is no way to improve the roster without moving Ayton is there?

 

[Raindog]

The "Suns are looking at him as a starter next season" is hopefully BS, too... just to make it more feasible to move him. Unless the plan is to somehow restructure his contract and resign him to a more cost effective deal and go from there.

 

[Covert Rain]

The "Suns are looking at him as a starter next season" is hopefully BS, too... just to make it more feasible to move him. Unless the plan is to somehow restructure his contract and resign him to a more cost effective deal and go from there.

Man I hope so. This would be a major misstep to rely on CP3 for anything based on his history and age.

 

[Yuma]

I think it boils down to what I have read, and what many here are saying, that CP3's contract won't get us relief from the luxury tax and possibly that second apron if waived. So if it doesn't help you financially, then you might as well keep him, because he's still a B to A- player in the league, even factoring in age and injuries.

 

[Covert Rain]

I think it boils down to what I have read, and what many here are saying, that CP3's contract won't get us relief from the luxury tax and possibly that second apron if waived. So if it doesn't help you financially, then you might as well keep him, because he's still a B to A- player in the league, even factoring in age and injuries.

Seems like it makes ZERO sense for the Suns to cut him. The Suns would still have to pay the guaranteed salary of the released or waived player’s contract and is still counted against the team’s salary cap. Cutting him now saves you 15M but doesn't get you under the Apron. Guaranteeing it though puts you 15M more over. Which says to me Ayton is definitely gone.

Based on the below, he signed a 3-year contract so they can't renegotiation with him. Plus, even if they wanted a renegotiation they are over the cap and even then, you can only INCREASE his salary. See below:

- A contract for four or more seasons can be renegotiated after the third anniversary of its signing, extension, or previous renegotiation (if the previous negotiation increased any season's salary by more than 4.5%). Contracts for fewer than four seasons cannot be renegotiated. A contract cannot be renegotiated between March 1 and June 30 of any year.

- Only teams under the cap can renegotiate a contract, and the salary in the then-current season can be increased only to the extent that the team has room under the cap (and cannot increase the player's salary beyond the maximum salary). A renegotiation can only be used to provide a salary increase -- players can't take a "pay cut" in order to create more cap room for the team.

 

[Yuma]

Here's hoping the guarantee on Paul is to make it easier to move him. Paying CP 30M next year would be criminal mismanagement. He's nowhere near a 30M guy anymore.

I heard Marks talking about waiving and stretching, but then re-signing?

Marks was saying if he cleared waivers, which any team picking him up would have that contract which means he could clear waivers, then he could legally resign with us at a lower salary. Thing is, you would have to know CP3 would want to resign with you, and that no team would claim him, unless you were fully OK with losing him for no players in return. I am sure they must have went through these scenarios at Suns HQ.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Marks was saying if he cleared waivers, which any team picking him up would have that contract which means he could clear waivers, then he could legally resign with us at a lower salary. Thing is, you would have to know CP3 would want to resign with you, and that no team would claim him, unless you were fully OK with losing him for no players in return. I am sure they must have went through these scenarios at Suns HQ.

Thanks for the clarification. It seems highly unlikely that anyone else would pay him 30M, but not impossible I guess.

 

[Mainstreet]

Seems like it makes ZERO sense for the Suns to cut him. The Suns would still have to pay the guaranteed salary of the released or waived player’s contract and is still counted against the team’s salary cap. Cutting him now saves you 15M but doesn't get you under the Apron. Guaranteeing it though puts you 15M more over. Which says to me Ayton is definitely gone.

Based on the below, he signed a 3-year contract so they can't renegotiation with him. Plus, even if they wanted a renegotiation they are over the cap and even then, you can only INCREASE his salary. See below:

- A contract for four or more seasons can be renegotiated after the third anniversary of its signing, extension, or previous renegotiation (if the previous negotiation increased any season's salary by more than 4.5%). Contracts for fewer than four seasons cannot be renegotiated. A contract cannot be renegotiated between March 1 and June 30 of any year.

- Only teams under the cap can renegotiate a contract, and the salary in the then-current season can be increased only to the extent that the team has room under the cap (and cannot increase the player's salary beyond the maximum salary). A renegotiation can only be used to provide a salary increase -- players can't take a "pay cut" in order to create more cap room for the team.

Chris Paul was signed to a 4-year contract with the Suns, not a 3-year contract, so perhaps it can be renegotiated.

Chris Paul | NBA Contracts & Salaries | Spotrac.com

Chris Paul signed a 1 year, $10,460,000 contract with the San Antonio Spurs, including $10,460,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $10,460,000. In 2024-25, Paul will earn a base salary of $10,460,000, while carrying a cap hit of $10,460,000 and a dead cap value of $10,460,000.

www.spotrac.com

 

[Covert Rain]

Chris Paul was signed to a 4-year contract with the Suns, not a 3-year contract, so perhaps it can be renegotiated.

Chris Paul | NBA Contracts & Salaries | Spotrac.com

Chris Paul signed a 1 year, $10,460,000 contract with the San Antonio Spurs, including $10,460,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $10,460,000. In 2024-25, Paul will earn a base salary of $10,460,000, while carrying a cap hit of $10,460,000 and a dead cap value of $10,460,000.

www.spotrac.com

Thanks. I was wrong. You are correct he signed a 4 year. However, now I am wondering if that is on the table why would the new report would indicate this appears to be off the table. It appears we are going to gaurantee his contract. UGH! Thanks for the link.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Even at less money (if waived/possible), coming back with Paul as our starting PG is a recipe for disaster. It’s planning to fail. Dude just can’t stay healthy through the season and especially wears down/breaks down in the playoffs. That isn’t going to get better with another year on the Calendar.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Even at less money (if waived/possible), coming back with Paul as our starting PG is a recipe for disaster. It’s planning to fail. Dude just can’t stay healthy through the season and especially wears down/breaks down in the playoffs. That isn’t going to get better with another year on the Calendar.

I don't think I'd call him a PG anymore, he brings the ball up less and less because younger PGs body the hell out of him trying to force a turnover

He kind of just hangs out on the 3 waiting for Book and KD to catch a double team - every now and then he and Ayton will try the old school pick and roll

 

[Mainstreet]

Thanks. I was wrong. You are correct he signed a 4 year. However, now I am wondering if that is on the table why would the new report would indicate this appears to be off the table. It appears we are going to gaurantee his contract. UGH! Thanks for the link.

What we need is a capologist. This stuff can get terribly complicated. I think a lot of writers don't know any more than we do.

 

[Covert Rain]

What we need is a capologist. This stuff can get terribly complicated. I think a lot of writers don't know any more than we do.

Completely true.

 

[Covert Rain]

Even at less money (if waived/possible), coming back with Paul as our starting PG is a recipe for disaster. It’s planning to fail. Dude just can’t stay healthy through the season and especially wears down/breaks down in the playoffs. That isn’t going to get better with another year on the Calendar.

He has been so ineffective and slows down the pace so much that the only time they let him do it this season was when we were trying to close out. Other than that? He basically became a SG parking at the 3 point line. I have no clue what the Suns are thinking. I am hoping there is a plan because running it back with Paul makes no sense for all the reasons you listed. Makes barely any sense unless the Suns are convinced they can't do better in this market.

 

[Mainstreet]

He has been so ineffective and slows down the pace so much that the only time they let him do it this season was when we were trying to close out. Other than that? He basically became a SG parking at the 3 point line. I have no clue what the Suns are thinking. I am hoping there is a plan because running it back with Paul makes no sense for all the reasons you listed. Makes barely any sense unless the Suns are convinced they can't do better in this market.

The Suns may be hoping for a Westbrook type trade to come along if they keep Paul.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Even at less money (if waived/possible), coming back with Paul as our starting PG is a recipe for disaster. It’s planning to fail. Dude just can’t stay healthy through the season and especially wears down/breaks down in the playoffs. That isn’t going to get better with another year on the Calendar.

Even when healthy he's paid at least double what he's worth.

 

[Finito]

I think it just makes him easier to move. I mean what are you gonna say right.

 

[GatorAZ]

Haynes isn’t a good enough insider to differentiate legit info vs being fed it. If CP’s option gets picked up it’s so a team can send us back equal or more salary via trade.

 

[elindholm]

Is there a trade moratorium between now and the draft? It really seems like Paul's greatest value for the Suns is as a trade piece to bring back bloated contracts from another team that plans to waive Paul once they get him.

 

[SirStefan32]

Is there a trade moratorium between now and the draft? It really seems like Paul's greatest value for the Suns is as a trade piece to bring back bloated contracts from another team that plans to waive Paul once they get him.

My understanding is that he must be waived BEFORE trades can actually happen. I may have the dates wrong, but it's something along the lines of Paul having to be waived by June 27th, and new trades can happen July 1st, or something like that. If they trade him, his $30M is guaranteed. It's still a nice expiring contract, but the new team would not be able to take advantage of the $15M savings.

 

[Phrazbit]

Is there a trade moratorium between now and the draft? It really seems like Paul's greatest value for the Suns is as a trade piece to bring back bloated contracts from another team that plans to waive Paul once they get him.

My understanding is that he must be waived BEFORE trades can actually happen. I may have the dates wrong, but it's something along the lines of Paul having to be waived by June 27th, and new trades can happen July 1st, or something like that. If they trade him, his $30M is guaranteed. It's still a nice expiring contract, but the new team would not be able to take advantage of the $15M savings.

Nope.

Teams are allowed to make trades as soon as they're eliminated. I believe the only stipulation is that impending free agents cannot be traded. We could trade Paul right now, as long as the Lakers, Nuggets, Celtics or Heat are not involved in the deal.

 

[Phrazbit]

Looking at 2022-23 NBA trade deadline, date, time, possible targets

The 2022-23 NBA trade deadline is in early February. Heres where it falls on the leagues schedule and what time teams must lock in their deals.

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When can NBA players be traded again?​

Teams that don’t make the playoffs can resume trading players at the end of their regular season. Playoff teams have to wait until they are eliminated from the postseason.

From the end of the season to the next trade deadline is generally fair game to trade players, with a few notable exceptions.

For example, trading is very limited during the moratorium period -- typically a week-long break at the beginning of every salary cap year in which only a handful of contracts can be finalized. These include deals involving an offer sheet, a rookie scale contract for a first round draft pick and a contract of one or two seasons that only provides the two-way salary or applicable minimum salary.

When can NBA teams start trading in 2023?​

For 14 unlucky teams that don’t make the playoffs, they can start trading players as soon as April 10 – following the conclusion of their regular season.

The rest of the league will be eligible to participate in the market over the course of the next two months as teams are eliminated from the NBA playoffs.

 

[Folster]

Is there a trade moratorium between now and the draft? It really seems like Paul's greatest value for the Suns is as a trade piece to bring back bloated contracts from another team that plans to waive Paul once they get him.

Others will contradict me, but I believe he can be traded now, but we could only get 15 million in contracts in return not this full $30 million.