Maybe something or maybe nothing

[juza76]

Njoku looked promising three years ago but didn’t do much the past two years with one being decimated by injuries. Does he still have the athletic upside? This is season 5 for him. So he’s not some young project anymore.

Still 24

 

[QuebecCard]

I'm still stressed about our cap space. We're buying one year rentals on credit that's going to come due when Keim is likely gone.

If you weren't "cap" math-challenged, you'd be less stressed.

One-year rentals are by definition not on credit and those with void years are easily managed through the year-to-year cap increases.

And, please, don't trot out your usual "we have X numbers of players signed for next season' non-sequitur.

What's key is projected starters and key backup's signed. Every other body is subject to the usual roster turnover.

Much ado about nothing.

 

[az jam]

I'm still stressed about our cap space. We're buying one year rentals on credit that's going to come due when Keim is likely gone.

Most players thought the NFL are signing 1 years contracts because of the 2021 cap reduction and hopes the salary cap will sky rocket in 2022. It is not just the Cards, it's league wide.

 

[az jam]

Both OJ Howard and Njoku cost 6 mil. I believe Ertz costs 8. Our rookie cap is around 4. I know Harry said that the Bucs may be more inclined to move BRate but I feel he is too similar to Maxx. To be fair, I don't believe the compensation for any of these players would be very high. Bucs need to create some space as they are like 1 mil under the cap so I think they will cut a TE regardless. Browns don't really need to move Njoku, but they may want to add an EDGE FA so maybe the cost works. Eagles may take Isabella just to have another cheap WR.

TE Cameron Brate most likely will be released and the Bucs would save $6 Million on their cap. GM Jason Licht may have tipped off Keim on this.

 

[Chopper0080]

TE Cameron Brate most likely will be released and the Bucs would save $6 Million on their cap. GM Jason Licht may have tipped off Keim on this.

I agree that Brate is the more likely to be released. However Howard is the one the Cardinals would trade for. If we traded for Howard, it would be a 6 mil cap hit. If we were waiting for Brate to be released, he may cost 2 or 3 mil tops.

 

[Chopper0080]

Njoku looked promising three years ago but didn’t do much the past two years with one being decimated by injuries. Does he still have the athletic upside? This is season 5 for him. So he’s not some young project anymore.

I do. As Juza said, he is only 24/25, and there is actually some decent history behind athletic TEs becoming more impactful after their initial contracts in the NFL. Vernon Davis was one of these. Njoku is still a good athlete and I believe he just needs a role in an offense that plays to his athleticism more.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I'm still stressed about our cap space. We're buying one year rentals on credit that's going to come due when Keim is likely gone.

The Cardinals have more cap space next year and the cap will potentially start to explode.

 

[BritCard]

I agree that Brate is the more likely to be released. However Howard is the one the Cardinals would trade for. If we traded for Howard, it would be a 6 mil cap hit. If we were waiting for Brate to be released, he may cost 2 or 3 mil tops.

I don't see Keim trading for a TE when Jordan Reed could be had for a bag of cheetos in free agency. Yes, he has a troublesome injury history but when has that ever bother Keim?

I think the way Keim's mind works is Reed for vet min easily trumps Howard for more money and a draft pick.

I don't think much else will happen between now and the draft. Maybe one or two low value FA signings that won't effect comp pick calculations such as a Jordan Reed or bring back Devondre etc but otherwise I think more likely they wait until May when signings stop counting against comp picks.

There's still a LOT of latent available unsigned and teams don't seem to be in a rush.

 

[football karma]

I don't see Keim trading for a TE when Jordan Reed could be had for a bag of cheetos in free agency. Yes, he has a troublesome injury history but when has that ever bother Keim?

i think this is true only if you can play when healthy. Jordan Reed is pretty much done.

 

[juza76]

I don't see Keim trading for a TE when Jordan Reed could be had for a bag of cheetos in free agency. Yes, he has a troublesome injury history but when has that ever bother Keim?

I think the way Keim's mind works is Reed for vet min easily trumps Howard for more money and a draft pick.

I don't think much else will happen between now and the draft. Maybe one or two low value FA signings that won't effect comp pick calculations such as a Jordan Reed or bring back Devondre etc but otherwise I think more likely they wait until May when signings stop counting against comp picks.

There's still a LOT of latent available unsigned and teams don't seem to be in a rush.

The thread has been created cause the Cardinals restructured some contracts to have 15 mil of cap room
Must be for a reason i guess, no?

 

[az jam]

I agree that Brate is the more likely to be released. However Howard is the one the Cardinals would trade for. If we traded for Howard, it would be a 6 mil cap hit. If we were waiting for Brate to be released, he may cost 2 or 3 mil tops.

Just got this off the Sports Edge Site. BA could be selling OJ or they are releasing Brate.

Bucs head coach Bruce Arians said O.J. Howard (Achilles) should be ready to participate in the team's offseason program.
Arians said Howard hasn't suffered any setbacks in his recovery from an Achilles injury he sustained in Week 5. Howard functioned as Tampa's primary pass-catching tight end before his injury, catching 11 of 19 targets for 146 yards and two touchdowns in four games last year. He saw more targets and produced more receptions, yardage, and touchdowns than Rob Gronkowski. “What a huge addition to have him back because he was having a great year,” Arians said. “I think, again, the sky’s the limit for what he can do in this offense.” Howard, 26, could retake the role Cameron Brate took over near the end of the 2020 season.

 

[BritCard]

The thread has been created cause the Cardinals restructured some contracts to have 15 mil of cap room
Must be for a reason i guess, no?

Well they need nearly $7m for the rookie draft pool and they normally like to go into the season with around $8m for injury replacements or late "Keim time" bargains.

I still think they will do more business but I wouldn't read too much into the moves they just made. They were always going to have to make these moves at some point.

 

[Solar7]

If you weren't "cap" math-challenged, you'd be less stressed.

One-year rentals are by definition not on credit and those with void years are easily managed through the year-to-year cap increases.

And, please, don't trot out your usual "we have X numbers of players signed for next season' non-sequitur.

What's key is projected starters and key backup's signed. Every other body is subject to the usual roster turnover.

Much ado about nothing.

It's great that you brought up projected starters and key backups signed, because we have barely half of our starters under contract next year. We're going to have to rebuild our entire WR corps outside of DHop unless you want to count on Isabella and Johnson for anything. We're going to have to rebuild our entire CB corps outside of Murphy. We'll have to rebuild our entire RB corps outside of Eno Benjamin who is no lock to even make the team this year. We'll need to rebuild the TE corps from the ground up. We'll need to replace or re-sign Chandler Jones. Kyler will be asking for an extension. We'll need a backup QB. I'm even being friendly and assuming Jones or Murray will be starters at RG.

...and that's outside of trying to upgrade anywhere. And come 2023, we have 8 total players under contract.

Considering Keim's draft record, the vast majority of these spots will have to be filled by free agents. The well isn't as deep as you think it is.

The Cardinals have more cap space next year and the cap will potentially start to explode.

See above.

 

[Solar7]

Most players thought the NFL are signing 1 years contracts because of the 2021 cap reduction and hopes the salary cap will sky rocket in 2022. It is not just the Cards, it's league wide.

Most teams don't need as many one year hole fillers in FA as we do. I know there's a ton of these deals, but we're a team making up for multiple drafts in the past 5 years in which we acquired 1 or 0 contributors.

 

[Hoodhero]

Well they need nearly $7m for the rookie draft pool and they normally like to go into the season with around $8m for injury replacements or late "Keim time" bargains.

I think from what I read yesterday the rookie class only requires around 3.9 million this year

 

[Krangodnzr]

It's great that you brought up projected starters and key backups signed, because we have barely half of our starters under contract next year. We're going to have to rebuild our entire WR corps outside of DHop unless you want to count on Isabella and Johnson for anything. We're going to have to rebuild our entire CB corps outside of Murphy. We'll have to rebuild our entire RB corps outside of Eno Benjamin who is no lock to even make the team this year. We'll need to rebuild the TE corps from the ground up. We'll need to replace or re-sign Chandler Jones. Kyler will be asking for an extension. We'll need a backup QB. I'm even being friendly and assuming Jones or Murray will be starters at RG.

...and that's outside of trying to upgrade anywhere. And come 2023, we have 8 total players under contract.

Considering Keim's draft record, the vast majority of these spots will have to be filled by free agents. The well isn't as deep as you think it is.



See above.

And the Cardinals will have money to pay for all of these players...

The cap WILL go up from the Pre-COVID level. They should have like $60 million +.

 

[Hoodhero]

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Still 24

Young. But I don’t know how much developmental upside is left. He probably is what he is. Which athletically is probably still pretty good. Worth his contract? I don’t know. All I know is he likely wasn’t last season.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If you weren't "cap" math-challenged, you'd be less stressed.

One-year rentals are by definition not on credit and those with void years are easily managed through the year-to-year cap increases.

And, please, don't trot out your usual "we have X numbers of players signed for next season' non-sequitur.

What's key is projected starters and key backup's signed. Every other body is subject to the usual roster turnover.

Much ado about nothing.

Uh, didn’t we see AJ’s has future voidable years? Doesn’t that mean we are pushing some of his salary into subsequent years? I think we did this for a few contracts. Am I mistaken?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I agree that Brate is the more likely to be released. However Howard is the one the Cardinals would trade for. If we traded for Howard, it would be a 6 mil cap hit. If we were waiting for Brate to be released, he may cost 2 or 3 mil tops.

I’d take either at this point. And be happy.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

i think this is true only if you can play when healthy. Jordan Reed is pretty much done.

Right up Keim’s alley!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Most teams don't need as many one year hole fillers in FA as we do. I know there's a ton of these deals, but we're a team making up for multiple drafts in the past 5 years in which we acquired 1 or 0 contributors.

The good news is if the cap expands next season players will likely be more willing to sign for multiple seasons which allows more flexibility in playing with numbers which should make the Cardinals more nimble in free agency. I stress should bc it’s still keim.

 

[BritCard]

I think from what I read yesterday the rookie class only requires around 3.9 million this year

I checked again and it's probably more like $5.5m.

1st and 2nd round alone are $3.9m. Then the lower round picks bring it to about $5.5m.

 

[tnmike]

It's great that you brought up projected starters and key backups signed, because we have barely half of our starters under contract next year. We're going to have to rebuild our entire WR corps outside of DHop unless you want to count on Isabella and Johnson for anything. We're going to have to rebuild our entire CB corps outside of Murphy. We'll have to rebuild our entire RB corps outside of Eno Benjamin who is no lock to even make the team this year. We'll need to rebuild the TE corps from the ground up. We'll need to replace or re-sign Chandler Jones. Kyler will be asking for an extension. We'll need a backup QB. I'm even being friendly and assuming Jones or Murray will be starters at RG.

...and that's outside of trying to upgrade anywhere. And come 2023, we have 8 total players under contract.

Considering Keim's draft record, the vast majority of these spots will have to be filled by free agents. The well isn't as deep as you think it is.



See above.

Sounds like you are building the old " Wait till next year Cardinals"

 

[Solar7]

And the Cardinals will have money to pay for all of these players...

The cap WILL go up from the Pre-COVID level. They should have like $60 million +.

Will we have money to pay for GOOD players? Will they be available? That's the issue. We sure as hell haven't been able to draft them. With Kyler's contract becoming an albatross at that time, how much money will we have to throw around?

And we're eating into the $60 million with voidable year money.