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Now THIS explains a lot to me. Thank you.
Suns have 6th pick and 32nd pick in 2019 draft.
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Ouchie-Z-Clown
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I keep seeing people post that they want trade down. For what? The NBA draft isn’t anything like the NFL draft. You can’t get a bunch of picks in later rounds to load up. I don’t think the 6 in this draft likely gets you much. Maybe a a highly protected future first?
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Yeah this year especially if there's a player you really like, take him and ignore the noise about where he should be ranked.
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I agree. Similar ratings on guys, just take who fits.
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Hunter is NOT a PF
He is a small forward and a poor rebounder, poor at getting blocks or steals
He is nothing like Bridges who is longer than him and racks up steals+blocks.
They need to look at Darius Bazley with the 2nd pick because Bazley has actualy PF size and length and skills. But he needs to mature and get older and fill out his frame.
Bazley is a top 10 talent in this draft.
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Clarke at 6 is beyond laughable in my opinion.
No way that will happen.
and I can't see us picking Hunter either
One of Culver, Garland or White is guaranteed to be there and Reddish is a much better talent than Clarke or Hunter too.
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Actually Hunter is longer than Bridges. He has a 7'2" wingspan to Mikal's 7'1". He's also bigger and stronger, weighing 225 to Mikal's 210. Hunter is considered the best defensive player in this draft. He uses his motor, tenacity, strength, and positioning. His defensive rating is actually better than Mikal's. Bridges easily defends 1-3, and can switch onto some small ball 4's. Hunter is expected to defend 1-4, while being able to switch onto some small ball 5's. Offensively, he is an outstanding 3 point shooter and goes hard to the basket, exactly what I want in a PF next to Ayton. I'm not concerned about his rebounding. Stretch 4's aren't expected to produce as high of rebounding totals as interior counterparts. Besides, Ayton is an outstanding rebounder.
The bottom line is you don't have to be 6'10" 250lbs to play pf anymore. That kind of size is actually a detriment as the game moves out more towards the perimeter. Hunter is an outstanding 3 point shooter and plays smothering D against 1-4. Doesn't that sound like exactly what we want in our PF?
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slinslin
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Defensive Rating is a stat that is at best a side note, but not meaningful.
This is not true and that is why none of our forwards had any success playing the small ball 4.
Small Ball 4s still have to be able to hold their own against 6'10 250lbs guys.
We are a very bad rebounding team already despite Ayton being a good rebounder.
Hunter ist a particularly bad rebounder and that should worry you.
Also low steals and low block total are a big red flag concerning how his athleticism will translate to the pro level.
Total speculation, Hunter declined the combine so we have no official measurements and Mikal is not in the NBA database either.
This is not true and that is why none of our forwards had any success playing the small ball 4.
Small Ball 4s still have to be able to hold their own against 6'10 250lbs guys.
We are a very bad rebounding team already despite Ayton being a good rebounder.
Hunter ist a particularly bad rebounder and that should worry you.
Also low steals and low block total are a big red flag concerning how his athleticism will translate to the pro level.
Total speculation, Hunter declined the combine so we have no official measurements and Mikal is not in the NBA database either.
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Are you arguing that Hunter is not an elite defensive player?
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I am saying that his defense won't translate.
There are tons of players who were supposedly great defenders at the college level and did nothing at the NBA level.
Karl Towns was supposedly an elite defensive prospect coming out of college.
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I feel that way about most of this class. In normal years, Clarke wouldn't be in the lottery but this isn't a normal year. He's a high floor, low ceiling forward who probably won't be quite as effective in the pros as he was in college. But he will be effective enough to man the starting PF spot until we find someone that fits better into the modern game. And even then, he'll still have value off the bench as an energy guy who can hold his own against bigger players. You want more from the 6 pick but good luck finding it or at least identifying it.
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I agree completely. I just don't agree with Bell as Clarke's NBA comp. Sure, there are similarities but Clarke is a better all around defender and a better offensive threat and he seems to have a better understanding of the game too. Bell has better measurements but his game is more limited than Brandon's IMO.
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I do think trading #6 for Dinwiddie and #17 will be a real possibility based upon the Nets free agency plans. Dinwiddie is an OK pg--better than what we have had, but not that special. At least we know he can produce in this league. #17 can still get us a pf with potential in this draft (Kabengele please).
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I'm game.
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absolutely absurd
Dinwiddie is a bench player.
Not to mention that would cost us 10 million in caproom.
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right veteran guard in this context probably means Jrue, Beal or McCollum.
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Ditto.
Jrue or McCollum could work. Beal wouldn't work unless we trade Booker for a point guard. Beal doesn't have good enough point guard skills to share a backcourt with Booker. He is not as good of a distributor, facilitator or ball handler as Booker, and we all know what a disaster Point Book is.
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I am also seeing rumors of Beal everywhere a Lebton, or Kyrie Irving is. He seems to be that added piece to a playoff or older team, not a young team like the Suns. I am gut feeling he will end up with Lebron. I have been reading a lot of rumots lately pairing Beal with Lebron. Who knows? In a week it will all change again.
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There is a $2 million difference in cap hold between the #6 pick and the #17 pick. So $8 million. Dinwiddie is a value at $8 million. I would love to get a better player, but he would still be an improvement.
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I'd be thrilled with this scenario if the Suns do not like Garland or White.
The Suns add a point guard in Dinwiddie and add a power forward such as Kabengele at #17.
Plus the Suns go into free agency with the idea of bolstering both positions.
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A lot of the players I like are projected to go later in the draft. If the Suns can get an asset (player or pick) and move down in the first round then I'm fine with it. There are a number of big men available later. The key is the Suns getting an asset they like in return for trading down.
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No, we don't "all know" this, quite the contrary. Some of us were surprised by how well Booker played the point without a shooting guard or a power forward out there with him. Beal would work great opposite Booker imo although I'd always slightly worry that he might return to the Beal of old that came up injured every year.
