Will Suns make a move before the trade deadline?

[Proximo]

I thought we were talking about 2017. Wojnarowski was on top of his game although Gambo knows more of the local details.

We are talking about 2017 - that is what Gambo is talking about too.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I thought we were talking about 2017. Wojnarowski was on top of his game although Gambo knows more of the local details.

There is no better source than Woj when draft night comes around. But that's one night a year.

 

[Mainstreet]

We are talking about 2017 - that is what Gambo is talking about too.

That's the date of the article as well.

Wojnarowski was on his game in 2017 but somehow the conversation meandered back five years.

 

[Mainstreet]

There is no better source than Woj when draft night comes around. But that's one night a year.

I find Wojnarowski incredibly consistent based upon the information he is given.

For example he didn't know which Brooks was involved in the proposed three way trade with the Suns, Washington and Memphis but neither did the teams.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I find Wojnarowski incredibly consistent based upon the information he is given.

For example he didn't know which Brooks was involved in the proposed three way trade with the Suns, Washington and Memphis but neither did the teams.

Yeah, that's not the kind of thing I'm talking about. He's not much different than the others in that regard although personally I find Shams to be more accurate. It's the speculative stuff he says where he implies he has inside information. All too often that information is self serving to whomever passed it to him yet he "reports" it as inside info.

 

[devilalum]

I love all these “insiders.”
They give us outlandish fantasies to discuss and debate.

If we only talked about the rumors that actually came true we would all get seriously bored.


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[AzStevenCal]

I love all these “insiders.”
They give us outlandish fantasies to discuss and debate.

If we only talked about the rumors that actually came true we would all get seriously bored.

Sure, I love all that stuff too, I even go out of my way to listen to and read Woj on a regular basis. But I view all that as entertainment, not news. And as such it should carry the weight of entertainment, not that of news.

 

[devilalum]

Sure, I love all that stuff too, I even go out of my way to listen to and read Woj on a regular basis. But I view all that as entertainment, not news. And as such it should carry the weight of entertainment, not that of news.

This board is about 20% news and 80% entertainment.


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[Mainstreet]

Yeah, that's not the kind of thing I'm talking about. He's not much different than the others in that regard although personally I find Shams to be more accurate. It's the speculative stuff he says where he implies he has inside information. All too often that information is self serving to whomever passed it to him yet he "reports" it as inside info.

I have both of them on speed dial and they supplement each other nicely.

Even the speculative stuff I want to know. I have found both to put out the best information available.
I want to know when a story is about to break as well.

 

[AzStevenCal]

This board is about 20% news and 80% entertainment.

Absolutely, maybe 90%. But I don't get your point? I like entertainment, I'm just not fond of entertainment being passed off as news.

 

[sdscard4]

Huh? You were wrong. It wasn’t most and definitely not all were positive articles. You made it sound like most were praising Ball. That simply isn’t true. There were mostly negative articles 15 pages in. If Ball was associated with mostly positive articles that is not how Google would aggregate stories about him.

So again without proof now your saying 25 of 30 teams would line up for him?!?

Based on what?

I bet it’s more like 5 or 6 teams at most that would make serious overtures and most of them only because they think they could coach him up.

Slinslin is that you!???! [emoji6]

Based on what I think read what I wrote..and you say only 5 or 6 based that they can coach him up? Lol yeah only 6 NBA GMs are going to select Ball if they could...wow thank God it's only our opinions

 

[devilalum]

Absolutely, maybe 90%. But I don't get your point? I like entertainment, I'm just not fond of entertainment being passed off as news.

PR aside it’s all entertainment.

My point is as long as it gives us something to talk about what difference does it make? I have no idea which insiders actually have inside info. I’m guessing the ones that are right more than they are wrong get the most attention.


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[AzStevenCal]

PR aside it’s all entertainment.

My point is as long as it gives us something to talk about what difference does it make? I have no idea which insiders actually have inside info. I’m guessing the ones that are right more than they are wrong get the most attention.

I suck at making my points I guess. All I was talking about was that you shouldn't go back to things Woj has said in the past few years and quote them as fact. I didn't feel that way about him several years ago but now, so much of what he says originated from someone with an agenda and he trades off with these guys to get more gossip. I'm okay with what he's doing, I'm just not okay with his stuff being treated as gospel. He's less a reporter today than he is a gossip columnist.

 

[Superbone]

There is no freaking way we could have had The Unicorn for Josh Jackson straight up. I guarantee you Woj was wrong on this one.

 

[Hoop Head]

Here is Woj saying that the Suns have spoken with New York about Porzingis and that they won't get Booker in a deal. He also says trade talks have slowed. Can't find the article he wrote similar to this but the tweet is up still.

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[Mainstreet]

Absolutely, maybe 90%. But I don't get your point? I like entertainment, I'm just not fond of entertainment being passed off as news.

There are different categories as I view it.

There are beat writers that pass along details about the team that we would normally not get from a national writer and they usually post only facts.

Then there are national writers who are well connected who break news but also pass along information that we might not otherwise know behind the scene. They pass along news about all the teams. Because they are connected they are usually the first to break a story and give details.

Then there is a group who mostly write for entertainment that will speculate and talk about things that could happen but it is highly unlikely. I find a lot of them are local. They draw in fans who want to dream, e.g., Durant coming to the Suns. They will occasionally break some news but it is random. And it is usually after the fact.

I read the first two categories about 95% of the time and read the last category for fun.

 

[Hoop Head]

Here's an article from 2017 that says the Knicks requested Booker and the #4 pick, not by Woj but that was the narrative during that summer. What's changed in 2 years? We don't have the same GM and McD hasn't said much since being let go which means Woj can say just about anything about what we could have done without no one in the organization but Sarver to refute his claims. Who is going to believe Sarver? I'm not saying it's a conspiracy of any sort but it is convenient that Woj's spin isn't able to be refuted easily. I don't see what he gains in even suggesting that was a possibility though, right or wrong. It doesn't make the Suns look good but they didn't look good before he made this claim.


http://arizonasports.com/story/1153...r-booker-no-4-pick-in-exchange-for-porzingis/

 

[Mainstreet]

Here's an article from 2017 that says the Knicks requested Booker and the #4 pick, not by Woj but that was the narrative during that summer. What's changed in 2 years? We don't have the same GM and McD hasn't said much since being let go which means Woj can say just about anything about what we could have done without no one in the organization but Sarver to refute his claims. Who is going to believe Sarver? I'm not saying it's a conspiracy of any sort but it is convenient that Woj's spin isn't able to be refuted easily. I don't see what he gains in even suggesting that was a possibility though, right or wrong. It doesn't make the Suns look good but they didn't look good before he made this claim.


http://arizonasports.com/story/1153...r-booker-no-4-pick-in-exchange-for-porzingis/

There are other sources besides Sarver and McDonough.

Other teams and agents are involved as well who leak information. All one has to do is go to the national news to see how almost everything is leaked. There must be a myriad of people who of people who are involved in trade discussions and of course there is staff.

 

[Hoop Head]

There are other sources besides Sarver and McDonough.

Other teams and agents are involved as well who leak information. All one has to do is go to the national news to see how almost everything is leaked. There must be a myriad of people who of people who are involved in trade discussions and of course there is staff.

I'm fully aware of that but that tweet directly contradicts Woj's current that he sent out about how back in 2017 the Suns could have traded for Porzingis and all they had to give up was Jackson or the #4 pick. As you can see that isn't what he said back then. Involving Booker is quite the difference. If it was including Troy Daniels or some player who is an end of the bench guy that isn't in the rotation then fine, that player doesn't need to be mentioned when bringing up an old rumored trade but Booker's involvement changes that trade dramatically. Adding Booker makes it almost a different trade altogether since he was viewed as our future at that point even though we still had Bledsoe. He would be the centerpiece of any deal and not the #4 pick.

As far as the multiple people involved in trades that's true but we all know that McD ran a tight ship and there wasn't a lot that got out while he was GM. That was commented on almost every time a deal did happen because it came out of nowhere.

 

[BC867]

I know you can't stand Sarver but that's a horrible comparison. In the almost decade you've been aware of him how many times has he done something to satisfy this supposed need for attention? A handful, maybe, if you want to spin all of the incidents that way. Lavar OTOH cries "look at me, look at me" whenever he smells a camera or a mic.

I know Sarver has his share of faults but I don't get this idea you have that he's an attention *****, quite the opposite IMO which is why he's such a fish out of water when he is getting attention.

You acknowledge that Sarver has done something for attention a handful of times. But not to the degree of Lavar. I agree!

But to say that Sarver is the opposite of Lavar is a lot different than saying that they both seek attention, but to different degrees.

Which is why I am predicting that Sarver would easily be sucked into a public battle with Lavar and, representing the Suns, would lose.

As the saying goes, if someone is being stupid to you, don't try to beat them at their own game. You'll never be more stupid than they.

When it comes to an attention *****, Lavar is a pro. Sarver is an amateur. Sarver and the Suns would lose the battle of the figureheads.

In image, if not in context. Because with Lavar in the arena, it is all about image.

 

[BC867]

As far as that I "can't stand Sarver", Steve, he has been called the most hated owner in the NBA.

I am in the majority. I don't like the lack of professionalism he has projected.

Nor do I like how the constant turnover and makeup of the Suns on his watch has led to repeated failure.

Do you? I truly can't understand how any Suns fan can stand up for him.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm fully aware of that but that tweet directly contradicts Woj's current that he sent out about how back in 2017 the Suns could have traded for Porzingis and all they had to give up was Jackson or the #4 pick. As you can see that isn't what he said back then. Involving Booker is quite the difference. If it was including Troy Daniels or some player who is an end of the bench guy that isn't in the rotation then fine, that player doesn't need to be mentioned when bringing up an old rumored trade but Booker's involvement changes that trade dramatically. Adding Booker makes it almost a different trade altogether since he was viewed as our future at that point even though we still had Bledsoe. He would be the centerpiece of any deal and not the #4 pick.

As far as the multiple people involved in trades that's true but we all know that McD ran a tight ship and there wasn't a lot that got out while he was GM. That was commented on almost every time a deal did happen because it came out of nowhere.

I looked back at the recent tweet by Woj and the one you posted. You are 100% correct. They conflict.

In a way it makes me feel better. No way the Suns trade Booker.

 

[Covert Rain]

Based on what I think read what I wrote..and you say only 5 or 6 based that they can coach him up? Lol yeah only 6 NBA GMs are going to select Ball if they could...wow thank God it's only our opinions

Uh no. I said probably only 5 or 6 would entertain giving up anything of real value for him to try and coach him up after seeing him play.

 

[1tinsoldier]

Uh no. I said probably only 5 or 6 would entertain giving up anything of real value for him to try and coach him up after seeing him play.

yes. it's as if the past 2 seasons hasn't happened in some of these poster's minds.
they're stuck in 1917 Lonzo hype mode.
i was one of the people who praised Lonzo's instincts and potential then
(as i criticized his lack of passion and his dad)
but now, as a starter for most of 2 seasons,
with only 5 assists per game and a 41.7 free-throw percentage
he might be more likely to be a successful rap artist
than a star NBA point-guard
and he has no future as a businessman either, if he's trying to sell $500 sneakers

 

[JCSunsfan]

Anderson, Warren, Bender, Okobo, and our top 7 protected first for Jrue Holiday and Solomon Hill. Make it happen.