Now its about #16, 31, and 59

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Jevon Carter guys. He can defend both guard positions but especially small fast guards. He shoots 40% from the three and he is more of a pass first guard. He is a senior so there is some maturity and he is ready to play. The real kicker? We could easily draft him at #16 and there is a good chance he would be available at #31.

If we identified him as our guy I wouldn’t want to do so at 16 (too high). I’d rather trade up into back end of first round for him. Package 31, 59, and next year’ssecond rounder if necessary.

 

[overseascardfan]

Trade 16, 31 ,59, Chriss, and Ulis for #7. Get Trae Young. We don't have room for four more rookies on this team, but need a young shooter/distributor. We'll have to count on growing them defensively, and using Ayton and Jackson as the primary defenders, and run a high octane offense better than yours to win games. That'll complete the tank and rebuild job entirely. Get a big free agent of some manner, and your team is complete, two deep at every spot with starter quality guys.

I would do it if Young is there at #7 but I think he goes higher. I know you have Ayton, Bagley, Doncic, Bamba & Porter but I think Young could go as high as #3 because everyone is looking for the next Steph Curry and Young is just 20 years old.

 

[Chaplin]

If we identified him as our guy I wouldn’t want to do so at 16 (too high). I’d rather trade up into back end of first round for him. Package 31, 59, and next year’ssecond rounder if necessary.

He is still projected around pick 43, so he needs a frantic workout season to even get up to 31 value.

Do we really want another Davon Reed at this point? Especially for his position?

 

[Mainstreet]

He is still projected around pick 43, so he needs a frantic workout season to even get up to 31 value.

Do we really want another Davon Reed at this point? Especially for his position?

I'm uncertain about the Reed comparison but the Suns do not need to get cute picking players early.

 

[Raze]

A tad better than Portland? We would also have JJ and Ayton two massively talented guys that Portland doesn’t come close to having.

True. I was primarily focusing on the back court. No doubt we would have far more "potential" talent than Portland as a whole. However, I'd stand by my assertion that Young and Book won't win us a championship barring some miracle philosophical turnover. In the era of shooting 40 3's a game, you can't afford to have poor perimeter D. You can have one bad defender. You can't have two.

 

[Raze]

Jevon Carter guys. He can defend both guard positions but especially small fast guards. He shoots 40% from the three and he is more of a pass first guard. He is a senior so there is some maturity and he is ready to play. The real kicker? We could easily draft him at #16 and there is a good chance he would be available at #31.

And we're not talking about just an above average defender here. This guy really gets after it on D (3 S/G is outstanding). He's also an 86% FT shooter who attacks. I'd seriously consider grabbing him and Brunson. Jevon could start. Brunson would be a super sub. It would give a lot of life to our pathetic PG position.

I noticed he wasn't on the list with Graham. Wonder why that is.

 

[elindholm]

Trade 16, 31 ,59, Chriss, and Ulis for #7.

In other words, trade #16 for #7? Sure, works for me.

 

[Cheesebeef]

In other words, trade #16 for #7? Sure, works for me.

Yeah... you’re not moving into the top 8 of this draft unless you’re adding at least one of our other 1st rounders we own in the next couple years.

 

[JCSunsfan]

He is still projected around pick 43, so he needs a frantic workout season to even get up to 31 value.

Do we really want another Davon Reed at this point? Especially for his position?

Davon Reed is a 2. Carter is a 1 and just because sites have him in the second does not mean that is where teams have him pegged. He dominated combine play. His defense smothered everyone he went against. He is already moving up fast.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

He is still projected around pick 43, so he needs a frantic workout season to even get up to 31 value.

Do we really want another Davon Reed at this point? Especially for his position?

I don’t think we know what Davon reed is yet.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I don’t think we know what Davon reed is yet.

Agreed. I really liked him coming out of college but his lack of quickness was already a concern. If he doesn't return to at least his pre-injury quickness, he'll be out of the league very soon. But until he's all the way healed and in shape, we won't really know what he can give us.

 

[Hoop Head]

If Reed can get healthy and play more like he showed in Summer League last year that might be like adding another 2nd rounder this year. He was a shell of what we saw in SL last season. I became a fan of his after watching video and seeing him in the SL. I never thought he'd be more than a 3 & D wing but he didn't have a 3 or play good D during the season. It was frustrating seeing Triano go to Danuel House more than Reed though. I think he could have shown more but was on a very short leash.

 

[Errntknght]

Davon Reed is a 2. Carter is a 1 and just because sites have him in the second does not mean that is where teams have him pegged. He dominated combine play. His defense smothered everyone he went against. He is already moving up fast.

I certainly think this is the right direction to go. I was all for Colin Sexton with the same thought in mind but I cooled on him when somebody made the comparison to Bledsoe. I also watched a video and I didn't think he was better than Eric, I watched a video of Javon and while I wasn't as impressed as JC or Raze, I liked him though I wish he was taller. I also agree with the idea that if we find two PGs in this mold, draft them both. It's always been a good idea to have defensive stalwarts at the point of attack but now more than ever.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yeah... you’re not moving into the top 8 of this draft unless you’re adding at least one of our other 1st rounders we own in the next couple years.

I would add a 1st round pick plus #16 and maybe something else if it gets the Suns another pick in the top 8 in this draft.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I certainly think this is the right direction to go. I was all for Colin Sexton with the same thought in mind but I cooled on him when somebody made the comparison to Bledsoe. I also watched a video and I didn't think he was better than Eric, I watched a video of Javon and while I wasn't as impressed as JC or Raze, I liked him though I wish he was taller. I also agree with the idea that if we find two PGs in this mold, draft them both. It's always been a good idea to have defensive stalwarts at the point of attack but now more than ever.

I think if you all start just looking at the tape on Carter you will see. He has CP3 defensive chops. Yes. He was the Naismith Defensive Player of the Year. He is a bulldog. He is compact strong and relentless. Opposing guards will HATE to play against him. He is a distributor with 6.6 apg at WV. He also shot .389 and .393 from the three the last two years. The only knock on him is his size (6-2) with a 6-4.25 wingspan. But he got 3 spg in college as a senior. CP3 is 6-0 with a 6-4 wingspan and he does OK. Don't get me wrong. Carter is not the player CP3 is on offense. But he is the player he is on defense. And he still has an efficient offensive game. He has a PJ Tucker motor. He takes no prisoners on D. He is very fast. But he also has that quick mental reaction timing that is so essential to playing defense at the guard position. He is the perfect defensive complement to JJ. You can leave the small and medium sized guard to Carter while JJ guards the bigger athletic wings. Hide Booker on the less athletic guard or sf. And then, if you have Ayton playing behind him. I believe Ayton is going to be a good defender in the NBA. He has all the tools.

I am telling you. He will be the Brogdon of this draft. He will be the upper classman guard that everyone scratches their head and says "how did we miss that guy?" He will be perfect next to Booker. And the great beauty is that we likely won't even have to make any trades to get him.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think if you all start just looking at the tape on Carter you will see. He has CP3 defensive chops. Yes. He was the Naismith Defensive Player of the Year. He is a bulldog. He is compact strong and relentless. Opposing guards will HATE to play against him. He is a distributor with 6.6 apg at WV. He also shot .389 and .393 from the three the last two years. The only knock on him is his size (6-2) with a 6-4.25 wingspan. But he got 3 spg in college as a senior. CP3 is 6-0 with a 6-4 wingspan and he does OK. Don't get me wrong. Carter is not the player CP3 is on offense. But he is the player he is on defense. And he still has an efficient offensive game. He has a PJ Tucker motor. He takes no prisoners on D. He is very fast. But he also has that quick mental reaction timing that is so essential to playing defense at the guard position. He is the perfect defensive complement to JJ. You can leave the small and medium sized guard to Carter while JJ guards the bigger athletic wings. Hide Booker on the less athletic guard or sf. And then, if you have Ayton playing behind him. I believe Ayton is going to be a good defender in the NBA. He has all the tools.

I am telling you. He will be the Brogdon of this draft. He will be the upper classman guard that everyone scratches their head and says "how did we miss that guy?" He will be perfect next to Booker. And the great beauty is that we likely won't even have to make any trades to get him.

You have sold me JC. Now convince McDonough.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I think if you all start just looking at the tape on Carter you will see. He has CP3 defensive chops. Yes. He was the Naismith Defensive Player of the Year. He is a bulldog. He is compact strong and relentless. Opposing guards will HATE to play against him. He is a distributor with 6.6 apg at WV. He also shot .389 and .393 from the three the last two years. The only knock on him is his size (6-2) with a 6-4.25 wingspan. But he got 3 spg in college as a senior. CP3 is 6-0 with a 6-4 wingspan and he does OK. Don't get me wrong. Carter is not the player CP3 is on offense. But he is the player he is on defense. And he still has an efficient offensive game. He has a PJ Tucker motor. He takes no prisoners on D. He is the perfect defensive complement to JJ. You can leave the small and medium sized guard to Carter while JJ guards the bigger athletic wings. Hide Booker on the less athletic guard or sf.

I am telling you. He will be the Brogdon of this draft. He will be the upper classman guard that everyone scratches their head and says "how did we miss that guy?" He will be perfect next to Booker. And the great beauty is that we likely won't even have to make any trades to get him.

I think you're ignoring or underplaying the fact he's a strong man playing against a lot of younger guys and he takes full advantage of it. It's also a very well coached defensive team surrounding him. And while he averaged 6.6 assists, that was only as a senior. His previous best was 3.7 his Junior season.

As for the Brogdon comparison, it's probably fairly accurate if you allow for the height and wingspan difference. But that's a significant difference and IMO it's the primary reason Brogdon is as capable as he is. And as capable as he is, the Bucks still went in search of a better starter at his position.

If he's there at 31, it wouldn't excite me but maybe it's worthwhile? But at 16, that's a real stretch IMO. He isn't going to drive and score all that often and he's going to be a fairly easy cover on the perimeter given his lack of quickness and mediocre shot. I just don't see him as a starter and unless we've solved that problem, I'd rather use the pick to get an actual starting PG.

And yes, Carter was the defensive player of the year (twice actually). But, IMO, in college that is a function of team far more often than not. Emeka Okafor won it twice too, as did Sheldon Williams and Hasheem Thabeet. A lot of players that failed to make a mark in the NBA won it also. Players such as Jim Mcllvaine, the same stiff that drove Shawn Kemp to his silly holdout.

A few of the NBA comps on him are Lindsey Hunter and Derek Fisher. I think they are reasonable comps but both players benefitted from playing in a league that still allowed forceful hand checks. If Fisher couldn't use his hands and body to re-direct the ball-handler, he'd have been out of the league more than a decade earlier.

I just don't see anything special with Jevon when you remove the advantages he has as an adult amongst boys. His lack of a first step, his poor ball-handling skills, his subpar finishing at the rim, questionable shot selection and unexciting measurements makes him a second round pick who will aspire to role player mediocrity if he makes the league at all. JMO.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I think you're ignoring or underplaying the fact he's a strong man playing against a lot of younger guys and he takes full advantage of it. It's also a very well coached defensive team surrounding him. And while he averaged 6.6 assists, that was only as a senior. His previous best was 3.7 his Junior season.

As for the Brogdon comparison, it's probably fairly accurate if you allow for the height and wingspan difference. But that's a significant difference and IMO it's the primary reason Brogdon is as capable as he is. And as capable as he is, the Bucks still went in search of a better starter at his position.

If he's there at 31, it wouldn't excite me but maybe it's worthwhile? But at 16, that's a real stretch IMO. He isn't going to drive and score all that often and he's going to be a fairly easy cover on the perimeter given his lack of quickness and mediocre shot. I just don't see him as a starter and unless we've solved that problem, I'd rather use the pick to get an actual starting PG.

And yes, Carter was the defensive player of the year (twice actually). But, IMO, in college that is a function of team far more often than not. Emeka Okafor won it twice too, as did Sheldon Williams and Hasheem Thabeet. A lot of players that failed to make a mark in the NBA won it also. Players such as Jim Mcllvaine, the same stiff that drove Shawn Kemp to his silly holdout.

A few of the NBA comps on him are Lindsey Hunter and Derek Fisher. I think they are reasonable comps but both players benefitted from playing in a league that still allowed forceful hand checks. If Fisher couldn't use his hands and body to re-direct the ball-handler, he'd have been out of the league more than a decade earlier.

I just don't see anything special with Jevon when you remove the advantages he has as an adult amongst boys. His lack of a first step, his poor ball-handling skills, his subpar finishing at the rim, questionable shot selection and unexciting measurements makes him a second round pick who will aspire to role player mediocrity if he makes the league at all. JMO.

Brogdan as in upper classman guard that everyone misses. Not trying to compare body or game.

Not sure where you got the lack of quickness idea. He was first in the shuttle drill, fourth in the lane agility drill, fifth in the three quarter court sprint. He was 200 lbs with 4% body fat. Yes he was stronger and bullied other players. He will be stronger than most point guards in the NBA too. This whole "Man among boys" dismissal is why good player get missed. The player he is most compared to is Patrick Beverly. Derek Fisher is a great comparison though. He was a fantastic defensive pg that was a very important piece on some very good teams.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Brogdan as in upper classman guard that everyone misses. Not trying to compare body or game.

Not sure where you got the lack of quickness idea. He was first in the shuttle drill, fourth in the lane agility drill, fifth in the three quarter court sprint. He was 200 lbs with 4% body fat. Yes he was stronger and bullied other players. He will be stronger than most point guards in the NBA too. This whole "Man among boys" dismissal is why good player get missed. The player he is most compared to is Patrick Beverly. Derek Fisher is a great comparison though. He was a fantastic defensive pg that was a very important piece on some very good teams.

It's his first step that gets questioned. The "man against boys" thing might be why an occasional player gets overlooked but it's there for a very good reason. That advantage goes away at the next level, often times leaving a player with no NBA level skill. Just look at the 4 year players in the league today. And in the NBA he won't be allowed to manhandle the ball-handler like he does in college.

 

[Mainstreet]

I wouldn't draft Carter earlier than #31.

 

[Raze]

I wouldn't draft Carter earlier than #31.

I agree. I can't imagine him taking THAT big of a climb. I think both Graham and Carter are ideal at #31.

 

[Folster]

Bump past the spam

 

[JCSunsfan]

I wouldn't draft Carter earlier than #31.

I believe he will be drafted earlier than 31.

 

[Mainstreet]

I agree. I can't imagine him taking THAT big of a climb. I think both Graham and Carter are ideal at #31.

I agree either would be nice pick at #31. My gut feeling is the Suns use #16 and #31 to move up a few notches.

 

[Mainstreet]

I believe he will be drafted earlier than 31.

You could very well be right. However, I'm not wanting the Suns to draft him at #16. Otherwise I do not have a problem with it.

I'm not sure if #31 and #59 is enough for the Suns to move up a bit in the 2nd round. Maybe #31, #59 and a future 2nd round pick might move the need.