The 2007 Offensive Line

[Diamondback Jay]

Time to play the Hypothetical " You Be The Coach" game.

It's the weekend of the opener against San Francisco. Who's your starting Offensive Line? Your depth chart?

I'm interested in seeing some of the responses and how it actually winds up unfollding.

Here's my Oline.. For what it's worth.

LT-- Levi Brown
RT -- Reggie Wells
C -- Nick Leckey
RG -- Deuce Lutui
LG -- Milford Brown

Bench

Al Johnson
Mike Gandy
Brandon Gorin
Free Agent pickup (someone of the veteran, lower priced variety)

Cut

Oliver Ross
Elton Brown

 

[PJ1]

Ditto on your line and your cuts. If Johnson beats out Lecky so be it but I am not sure he will in a fair competition.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

I'm seriously thinking that Ross is going to be given the upper hand in starting, so:

Brown-Brown-Johnson-Lutui-Ross

 

[D-Dogg]

LT-- Levi Brown
LG -- Milford Brown
C -- Al Johnson
RG -- Deuce Lutui
RT -- Oliver Ross

Bench

Nick Leckey
Mike Gandy
Brandon Gorin
Reggie Wells

Cut

Elton Brown May be kept if we don't carry three QB?

 

[overseascardfan]

LT-- Levi Brown
LG -- Milford Brown
C -- Al Johnson
RG -- Deuce Lutui
RT -- Oliver Ross

Bench

Nick Leckey
Mike Gandy
Brandon Gorin

Cut

Elton Brown May be kept if we don't carry three QB?

Where's Wells?

I would like to get another OL but the only one with value now is Doug Free but he will not be there in Round 5. So instead of reaching go get Bain and Nordin and pick up another O-lineman after June 1st.

 

[D-Dogg]

Where's Wells?

I would like to get another OL but the only one with value now is Doug Free but he will not be there in Round 5. So instead of reaching go get Bain and Nordin and pick up another O-lineman after June 1st.

Ooops, Wells is on my bench.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Where's Wells?

I would like to get another OL but the only one with value now is Doug Free but he will not be there in Round 5. So instead of reaching go get Bain and Nordin and pick up another O-lineman after June 1st.

I'm probably the only one here who feels this way, but I'd take a late round flier on Allen Barbre of Missouri State or Manuel Ramirez of Texas Tech.

Ramirez is more of a ready now player, but Barbre's got that long term potential to be very, very good.

 

[D-Dogg]

I'm probably the only one here who feels this way, but I'd take a late round flier on Allen Barbre of Missouri State or Manuel Ramirez of Texas Tech.

Ramirez is more of a ready now player, but Barbre's got that long term potential to be very, very good.

You aren't the only one...I'd LOVE to draft this kid...he's going to stick in the NFL and is the kind of guy who is on a championship team and people say...he was an UDFA??? or he was a 7th rounder????

I really like that guy.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

You aren't the only one...I'd LOVE to draft this kid...he's going to stick in the NFL and is the kind of guy who is on a championship team and people say...he was an UDFA??? or he was a 7th rounder????

I really like that guy.

Me too. He can play both guard and tackle, and if nothing else, gives them depth. I think if he can be had in the 7th, jump all over him and wait for the development.

 

[DevilPrideBAS]

I think they move Levi to RT to protect Leinarts blindside.


Gandy/Ross-Wells-Johnson-Deuce-Levi

 

[Redsz]

I agree with Levi at RT. Although I wouldn't mind if he is at LT.

LT: Reggie Wells
LG: Milford Brown
C: Al Johnson
RG: Duece Lutui
RT: Levi Brown

That's the line up I hope for.

 

[overseascardfan]

I'm probably the only one here who feels this way, but I'd take a late round flier on Allen Barbre of Missouri State or Manuel Ramirez of Texas Tech.

Ramirez is more of a ready now player, but Barbre's got that long term potential to be very, very good.

Barbre would be great in pass pro with his quick feet but, I don't like the fact that he doesn't have adequate strength and the lack of competition he faced, he is exactly like an OT we have now named Reggie Wells. I like Ramirez but he is only 6'2 so he probably wouldn't hold up at OT.

Some guys I seen in the draft guide that I like are:
Doug Free of course, Renardo Foster, Corey Hilliard, Chase Johnson, Dan Parrish, Mike Otto (Purdue guys seem to hold their own), and Kyle Tatum.

Free, Hilliard, and Foster are my preference.

 

[Heucrazy]

The line should be:

LT Levi Brown
LG Milford Brown
C Al Johnson
RG Deuce Lutui
RT Reggie Wells

Anything else would be complete stupidity on the coachs part, IMO.

 

[perivolaki]

LT Mike Gandy
LG Milford Brown
C Al Johnson
RG Deuce Lutui
RT Levi Brown

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Gandy over Wells?

Please elaborate.

 

[HooverDam]

The line should be:

LT Levi Brown
LG Milford Brown
C Al Johnson
RG Deuce Lutui
RT Reggie Wells

Anything else would be complete stupidity on the coachs part, IMO.

The coaches who spend hundreds of hours with the players analyzing their moves would be stupid not to follow what you've come up with from your arm chair?

 

[Diamondback Jay]

The line should be:

LT Levi Brown
LG Milford Brown
C Al Johnson
RG Deuce Lutui
RT Reggie Wells

Anything else would be complete stupidity on the coachs part, IMO.

Right now, I'd say Johnson- Leckey is a toss up.

Assuming this is your preference, what sways you about Johnson that he should start? Just stirring discussion here, not saying I agree or disagree one way or the other.

 

[Heucrazy]

The coaches who spend hundreds of hours with the players analyzing their moves would be stupid not to follow what you've come up with from your arm chair?

Wow that whole "IMO" thing I threw in there, flew right over your head didn't it?

And yes it would be pretty lame of them to completly mess with the line that showed vast improvement the second half of last year.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

I also have a huge amount of concern that the coaching staff has it set in their mind that Wells is better suited for guard.

Listening to the broadcast on KTAR today at the stadium, I heard both Wolf and Ash claim that this pick of Levi can allow the Cards to "move Wells to his best position, guard".

So barring the Cardinals live by this mindset, who's going to be the odd man out? Milford was a stable and steady force, dare I say, the best Olineman on the roster last year. Wells is too good as a tackle and is just starting to show what he's capable of to shift to the bench. Deuce has as much upside as any Olineman currently on the roster not named Levi Brown.

I hate to be arm chair quarterback, but the good tidings of this pick are going right in to the flush if they've got Oliver Ross or Brandon Gorin lined up across from him as starter. Lutui's I guess servicable at tackle, but he's much, much beter suited for guard. Same with Milford. Really, logic says the only of the three who's capable of making the shift is Wells. Why fiix what's not broken?

 

[Heucrazy]

Right now, I'd say Johnson- Leckey is a toss up.

Assuming this is your preference, what sways you about Johnson that he should start? Just stirring discussion here, not saying I agree or disagree one way or the other.

He snaps higher than Leckey, so Matt wouldn't have to bend over to get the ball so much. That's the only reason I have him in there.

I would be very happy if the coaches left the line that played well together alone and just swapped Big for Levi.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

He snaps higher than Leckey, so Matt wouldn't have to bend over to get the ball so much. That's the only reason I have him in there.

I would be very happy if the coaches left the line that played well together alone and just swapped Big for Levi.

Good reasoning. I also think Al is going to have a real chip on his shoulder and something to prove.

When the Cards first signed him, I stated I felt that he could be one of those signings that winds up being better than the amount of press it got.

 

[D-Dogg]

He snaps higher than Leckey, so Matt wouldn't have to bend over to get the ball so much. That's the only reason I have him in there.

I would be very happy if the coaches left the line that played well together alone and just swapped Big for Levi.

That alone is a HUGE reason...Matt having to bend so low to get into snap position likely throws off natural rhythm...it causes him to pull back into a drop slower than he'd probably like and it is hell oh his knees.

I like Leckey's game, but I don't like his stance. Al Johnson is much higher, and though it seems trivial, I think it will make a world of difference ESPECIALLY in quick snap drop pass scenarios.

Leckey is a nice backup, but Johnson will start because of the rhythm he and matt will have, and also because he's a pretty solid center who only lost his gig in Dallas because of injury.

 

[CtCardinals78]

I would still love to see a deal get done with Fanaca in some way shape or form. Grimm and Whiz are high on Ross so I think we are stuck with him.

W/o Fanaca

LT Ross
LG Wells
C Johnson
RG Lutui
RT L. Brown

Better than what is was last year.

With Fanaca

LT L. Brown
LG. Fanaca
C. Johnson
RG Lutui
RT Wells

Now that is a sick Oline and would feel much more comfortable with that lineup. With or w/o Fanaca I hope Whiz, Grimm come the the realization that A) Ross sucks and B) Wells best serves this team as RT.

 

[Doc Cardinal]

I'd rather see Brown and Brown on the left side....that side would maul some people in the running game.

For RT I'd let the others fight it out....Gandy/Gorin/Wells/Ross etc.

 

[Goldfield]

This is the lineup I want to see.

LT Reggie Wells
LG Milford Brown
C Nick Lecky
RG Deuce Lutui
RT Levi Brown

Wells at LT to face the smaller quicker DEs.

All the hoopla about Leckys snapping too low is crazy. If this was a true problem, the coaching staff would change his stance. I would say it has more to do with both players being young & nervous(mostly Leinart).