Nice Deal

[RLakin]

So let me get this straight, the Cardinals, who’s biggest need is pass rusher, pass on Terrell Suggs, the best pass rusher in the draft, and a home town icon no less. They do so to move down and take the #3 receiver and #4 pass rusher (which is debatable), awhile moving down from the #37 spot, a position, by the way, where they probably could have gotten either one of the players that they took at #17 and #18, to move down to #54, and threw in a 4th round pick for good measure. And for those who debate the point about Pace and/or Johnson being available at #37, do you know how many DEs and/or pass rushers were taken between #18 and #37? How about zero. So basically you could have drafted Suggs at #6 and still gotten a receiver like Johnson, Bethul Johnson, Kelly Washington, Tyrone Calico, or Taylor Jacobs at #37. Instead you have the #3 receiver Johnson (which is debatable), and the #4 pass rusher Pace (also debatable) and a worse 2nd round pick than you came in with. Not to mention the loss of a 4th round pick. Nice Deal.

 

[Goldfield]

not only were there ZERO taken, but your post means ZERO also...


You have no idea what would of happened...

Either one of those guys could of been just good enough to be the ONLY ones taken between those spots and never gotten to us...


If those are they guys Coach MAC wanted, then their the guys I want! Reach or no reach, it doesnt matter! Every player is only a guess till they get on the field in the NFL!

 

[RLakin]

Every player is only a guess till they get on the field in the NFL!

Ridiculous statement. This implies that there is no difference between a Top 10 selection and someone drafted in the 6th Round.

And McGinnis looked real pleased w/ the selections.


And you're right about my not knowing what would have happened. The only thing I know is that the Cardinals passed on Suggs, and that there was good chance that a receiver could have been drafted in the 2nd Round. Maybe not Bryant Johnson, but someone would have been there.

 

[Goldfield]

Originally posted by RLakin
Ridiculous statement. This implies that there is no difference between a Top 10 selection and someone drafted in the 6th Round.

In no way does it mean there is no difference... It meant they are ALL a risk.

Many people had Ryan Leaf rated as high or even higher that Peyton Manning(Including me), But either way NOBODY thought he would be a bust...

There is no way to know how good a player will be in the NFL. He can have all the talent in the world, but its up to him to work hard every day, and beable to controll the desires that come with BIG money...

 

[RLakin]

Originally posted by BEERZ
In no way does it mean there is no difference... It meant they are ALL a risk.

Risks are completely different than guesses. So which is it?

 

[Tangodnzr]

Sounds to me like RLakin is more of a Suggs fan than a Cards fan.

 

[KingofCards]

Common theme.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by BEERZ
not only were there ZERO taken, but your post means ZERO also...


You have no idea what would of happened...

Either one of those guys could of been just good enough to be the ONLY ones taken between those spots and never gotten to us...


If those are they guys Coach MAC wanted, then their the guys I want! Reach or no reach, it doesnt matter! Every player is only a guess till they get on the field in the NFL!

Great post!

The wise and great RLakin is having some great leaps in logic.

How does he know, that Denver wouldn't have taken Johnson (which Johnson himself said might happen) or the Raiders or another team ahead of the them liked Pace a lot.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Great post!

The wise and great RLakin is having some great leaps in logic.

How does he know, that Denver wouldn't have taken Johnson (which Johnson himself said might happen) or the Raiders or another team ahead of the them liked Pace a lot.

While I agree with what you are saying in theory, I think they paid too high a price for the talent they got in round 1. IMO, you decide where guys are slotted in your draft and you don't overextend to get them. Pace hit the fricking lottery since Many had him late second round and early third round. That IMO is overextending to make a pick. Yes you run the risk of losing the guy but that keeps you in check from making very questionable decisions.

Pace is really the sticking point for me (Johnson I don't mind as much but I still think they erred a bit there). I mean yes he was moving up but from the 3rd round all the way to mid 1st? Not logical to me. The problem of course is that they had swapped 2nd rounders which, given the overall run on DL, would have probably prevented them from getting Pace.

I personally feel like they let emotion rule the decsions in round 1 yesterday and didn't use logic

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by AZCB34
Pace hit the fricking lottery since Many had him late second round and early third round.

But who is "many"? The Sporting News? Mel Kiper?

The Cards thought he was a pretty good player. Mel Kiper hasn't ever had a job in the NFL. He is a draft geek just like us!

 

[Capital Card]

Originally posted by RLakin
Ridiculous statement. This implies that there is no difference between a Top 10 selection and someone drafted in the 6th Round.

You mean like the difference between TJ and TD?

 

[Ed B]

Originally posted by BEERZ



If those are they guys Coach MAC wanted, then their the guys I want! Reach or no reach, it doesnt matter! Every player is only a guess till they get on the field in the NFL!

They admitted that they wanted McDougle. They did not want Pace. McGinnis looked like a ghost on TV.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
But who is "many"? The Sporting News? Mel Kiper?

The Cards thought he was a pretty good player. Mel Kiper hasn't ever had a job in the NFL. He is a draft geek just like us!

But when they all predict close to the same thing, doesn't that say anything? You think Kiper is no different than you or Ed or whomever? This is his life. This is what he does so while I find fans mock drafts interesting, I put more credence into Kiper's since he sees alot more game tapes than you guys and he sees tapes on all the guys.

No offense inteded because on some things I agree with fans takes over Kipers.

So when these mock drafts by football "insiders" come out and many had Pace late 2nd early third and the Cards took him at 18, then yes, he hit the fricking lottery IMO.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by AZCB34
But when they all predict close to the same thing, doesn't that say anything? You think Kiper is no different than you or Ed or whomever? This is his life. This is what he does so while I find fans mock drafts interesting, I put more credence into Kiper's since he sees alot more game tapes than you guys and he sees tapes on all the guys.

No offense inteded because on some things I agree with fans takes over Kipers.

So when these mock drafts by football "insiders" come out and many had Pace late 2nd early third and the Cards took him at 18, then yes, he hit the fricking lottery IMO.

All I'm saying is......"The Cards made a mistake....they should've taken Kenyatta Walker (who has been unimpressive) over Leonard Davis"----Mel Kiper

Would you have figured that Barnett would go in round 1?

 

[RLakin]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Great post!

The wise and great RLakin is having some great leaps in logic.

How does he know, that Denver wouldn't have taken Johnson (which Johnson himself said might happen) or the Raiders or another team ahead of the them liked Pace a lot.

No, I can't say for sure that Denver wouldn't have taken Johnson. It would seem to be weird considering that they already have 3 solid receivers and took one in 1st Round last year. Then again, there were plenty of these "weird" picks, including Buffalo inviting McGahee and his bad knees to come play on their always hard and sometimes frozen artificial turf.

Same goes for Pace. But I don't think that it's necessarily a leap in logic to believe that positions which garnered no picks from #18 to #37 would have had either of these players (whom many saw as 2nd round prospects) become available. No less a great leap.

And as to the guy’s question about me liking Suggs more than the Cardinals. What, are they mutually exclusive labels now? I see, those who liked and wanted Suggs to come here can’t possibly be fans of the organization that passed on him at #6. I would think that label would go the other way. After all, it’s kind of a slap in the face when your hometown football team passes on the best instate product, even when that guy brings more of the one thing (sacks) that, for 3 years, the Cardinals have needed the most.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Well I'm "the guy" who said you are evidently more of a Suggs fan than a Cards fan.

I repeat it.

You are still crying about not taking him. I'm not. It's done. They never did want him...at that point anyway.
I'm fine with that. I never felt he was worth it either.

So you disagree. Yet you just keep harping on it.

The simple fact is, for all his pass rushing upside, he was not the best fit for the Cards needs.

Get over it.

 

[sly fly]

The simple fact is, for all his pass rushing upside, he was not the best fit for the Cards needs.

You're kidding, right??

 

[Tangodnzr]

absolutely not, I'm as serious as a heart attack.

Damn Suggs homers!

 

[RedStorm]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
But who is "many"? The Sporting News? Mel Kiper?

The Cards thought he was a pretty good player. Mel Kiper hasn't ever had a job in the NFL. He is a draft geek just like us!

It looks like the Cards were the only one. With the history the Cards have at evaluating talent I would say their information is suspect. Therefore Pace at 18, Johnson not being there at 37 is suspect.

 

[sly fly]

absolutely not, I'm as serious as a heart attack.

Easy there, big guy.