How hard is it to change offenses?

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Serious question. I never coached or played football at any level.
I think our offensive philosophy, play design, wr routes ,and blocking schemes seem pedestrian and simple.
Can an offense be overhauled mid season?
Does our offensive talent limit the offense. Is this offense okay but the play calling is to conservative?
I know many here are knowledgeable at this stuff and I would love to hear your input.
 

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Serious question. I never coached or played football at any level.
I think our offensive philosophy, play design, wr routes ,and blocking schemes seem pedestrian and simple.
Can an offense be overhauled mid season?
Does our offensive talent limit the offense. Is this offense okay but the play calling is to conservative?
I know many here are knowledgeable at this stuff and I would love to hear your input.
To fully swap to a new offense is a really big job. It basically requires the entire team to learn a whole new playbook. But it also depends how radical the change is to the new offense.
If a team wants to swap mid season they would likely do it over their bye week and start small...build the new offense and start the team out with 4 or 5 formations and 4 or 5 plays from each formation...then add a couple plays each week as the season continues.
Personnel could be an issue...if you have zone blocking linemen, switching to a power man blocking scheme could be a problem as you may not have the beef up front to effectively make the change.

as for our belabored Arizona Cardinals, their biggest challenge in changing offenses is at the quarterback position. We basically changed offeses this past off season. The Petzing spent the first two years trying to get kyler to be a pocket rhythm passer...but he just cant do it,...he wont throw the ball while he sees his receivers back in most cases and rhythm and time passing requires a QB to trust his receivers enough to throw the ball before they make their break.
...thats why there was so much talk this off season about utilizing kylers mobility, they gave up on making him an NFL quarterback.

...but we can still swap from a run first to a pass first team...as much as our offensive line has their weaknesses they are one of the better pass blocking lines in the league...
our absolute best bet is to remove the checkdown options from the route tree with the exception of the hot read...we have guys who run good routes, so they can get open farther down field even without burner speed...they just wont be five yards open...remove the checkdowns and kyler either has to throw 10+ yards down field or he has to run the ball.
but with kylers limitations in anticipation it would make our offense more high risk high reward. we may put up bigger numbers but we would likely see more turnovers as well...and if kylerr shells up, we could see some really ugly losses.

IMO it is our best option...nearly every catch would be contested...but we spent two years collecting really big WR;s..so we may as well utilize our size advantage....and trade Greg Dortch

the other option is to maintain the same basic offense but include some fairly radical new play designs.... however, considering there have been a few mentions of defenses knowing our plays based on formations or which audibles are called...it would only be a short term benefit until defenses figured out what changes we made....might save this season, but wont be effective in the long run.

also, since our WR coaching seems to so far be totally ineffective there is no guarantee the correct information gets from the coaches white board to the players in its entirety...we have a huge disconnect somewhere between The Petzings brain and the guys teaching our players.
because as much as I dislike The Petzing,...watching the all 22's shows that he often has some really nice play design but it never gets fully realized on the field.
a huge part of that is kylers inner clock.
instead of, tick.....tick.....tick.....tick

kylers is, tick...tick...tick...tick

and that throws off the entire offense.
 
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To fully swap to a new offense is a really big job. It basically requires the entire team to learn a whole new playbook. But it also depends how radical the change is to the new offense.
If a team wants to swap mid season they would likely do it over their bye week and start small...build the new offense and start the team out with 4 or 5 formations and 4 or 5 plays from each formation...then add a couple plays each week as the season continues.
Personnel could be an issue...if you have zone blocking linemen, switching to a power man blocking scheme could be a problem as you may not have the beef up front to effectively make the change.

as for our belabored Arizona Cardinals, their biggest challenge in changing offenses is at the quarterback position. We basically changed offeses this past off season. The Petzing spent the first two years trying to get kyler to be a pocket rhythm passer...but he just cant do it,...he wont throw the ball while he sees his receivers back in most cases and rhythm and time passing requires a QB to trust his receivers enough to throw the ball before they make their break.
...thats why there was so much talk this off season about utilizing kylers mobility, they gave up on making him an NFL quarterback.

...but we can still swap from a run first to a pass first team...as much as our offensive line has their weaknesses they are one of the better pass blocking lines in the league...
our absolute best bet is to remove the checkdown options from the route tree with the exception of the hot read...we have guys who run good routes, so they can get open farther down field even without burner speed...they just wont be five yards open...remove the checkdowns and kyler either has to throw 10+ yards down field or he has to run the ball.
but with kylers limitations in anticipation it would make our offense more high risk high reward. we may put up bigger numbers but we would likely see more turnovers as well...and if kylerr shells up, we could see some really ugly losses.

IMO it is our best option...nearly every catch would be contested...but we spent two years collecting really big WR;s..so we may as well utilize our size advantage....and trade Greg Dortch

the other option is to maintain the same basic offense but include some fairly radical new play designs.... however, considering there have been a few mentions of defenses knowing our plays based on formations or which audibles are called...it would only be a short term benefit until defenses figured out what changes we made....might save this season, but wont be effective in the long run.

also, since our WR coaching seems to so far be totally ineffective there is no guarantee the correct information gets from the coaches white board to the players in its entirety...we have a huge disconnect somewhere between The Petzings brain and the guys teaching our players.
because as much as I dislike The Petzing,...watching the all 22's shows that he often has some really nice play design but it never gets fully realized on the field.
a huge part of that is kylers inner clock.
instead of, tick.....tick.....tick.....tick

kylers is, tick...tick...tick...tick

and that throws off the entire offense.
Very cool. I appreciate your reply.
 

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So much of what we've been doing is around using 2 TE to set up the run, and our running game sucks and our blocking specialist tight end snapped his leg.

So... they're gunna have to change the offense quite a bit.
 

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Won’t happen during the season but there are sets in the playbook that should give us a different look. We saw some of it yesterday early when we abandoned the 12 and 13 personnel that we had been running.

It’s why McBride wasn’t targeted as much and MHJ was.
 
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