Looks like the Suns signed Jamil Wilson.
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Is he a PG?
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Neh, can't play point, but he is tall enough to play C.
(That was just for you, BC.)
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Markieff will play some center and Marcus will play most of his minutes at PF.
Going smaller but more talented is usually something that is good against 2nd units especially or teams that play offensively challenged centers.
Bledsoe/Thomas/Ennis
Dragic/Green/Goodwin
Warren/Tucker/Zoran
Morris/Morris/Tolliver
Plumlee/Len/Randolph
If we sign Zoran we won't have any roster space.
Going smaller but more talented is usually something that is good against 2nd units especially or teams that play offensively challenged centers.
Bledsoe/Thomas/Ennis
Dragic/Green/Goodwin
Warren/Tucker/Zoran
Morris/Morris/Tolliver
Plumlee/Len/Randolph
If we sign Zoran we won't have any roster space.
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Thanks a lot!Neh, can't play point, but he is tall enough to play C.
(That was just for you, BC.)
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I got to thinking what if McD is not just signing a raft of guards because he sees future use of them as trading assets but because Hornacek wants to have enough guards that they can put ball pressure on the opponents all the time. Maybe use a full court press at times. It takes a lot more energy to defend like that so you have to have a numerical superiority, which we do have without resorting to scrubs. Crank up the fast break a couple more notches on top of that and you'll have a team that everyone seriously hates to play.
I'm thinking of pairings like Dragic & Bled, Thomas & Green then additional pairings of Goodwin, Zoran or PJ with one of Dragic, Bled and Thomas - with Ennis TBD. Yes, its hard to imagine Green applying ball pressure but he will if its the only way he gets on the floor - though I wouldn't be surprised if Archie or Zoran supplanted him. If teams go small against us, and they will, PJ, Green and Goodwin would log time at SF. I'm not ruling out pairing Thomas with Dragic and/or Bledsoe at times, but I certainly wouldn't plan on keeping 2 of the 3 on the floor at all times.
Okay, why not play D,B,T 32 min each and keep 2 of the 3 on the floor all the time? First of all T has to mesh with both D and B fairly well or it won't work and secondly it will be weak defensively - 32 minutes is still too long to keep up intense ball pressure game after game. (If you watched Eric play for the Clips and last year you'd have noticed that he virtually stopped pressuring the ball here(32.9 mpg) the way he did in LA.) An injury to any one of the three completely ruins the plan so you can bank on not having it for a third of the games. As others have talked about at some length is puts a real squeeze on the SF position - Marcus, PJ, Warren and Green splitting 48 minutes. That will put pressure on us to initiate going small, which will only work if the opponents respond by going small as well. I think we would hammer teams at small ball because of our strength at wing positions but I also think our opps wouldn't go along with it, willingly. I don't see trotting out the Morris bros at 4 & 5 causing opps to go small... they'd just salivate.
With all that ball pressure we still aren't at the level of contenders but we will be practicing what we want our long term style to be so our defense will be improving - and you can add trapping manuevers into it once its humming. Our frontcourt will need to improve but we have guys with a good bit of potential in Plumlee, Markieff and Len so it may turn out all we have to add is a solid backup PF. Toliver may do in the stretch 4 role but he's lacking a bit on defense and rebounding and his age is against him.
I'm thinking of pairings like Dragic & Bled, Thomas & Green then additional pairings of Goodwin, Zoran or PJ with one of Dragic, Bled and Thomas - with Ennis TBD. Yes, its hard to imagine Green applying ball pressure but he will if its the only way he gets on the floor - though I wouldn't be surprised if Archie or Zoran supplanted him. If teams go small against us, and they will, PJ, Green and Goodwin would log time at SF. I'm not ruling out pairing Thomas with Dragic and/or Bledsoe at times, but I certainly wouldn't plan on keeping 2 of the 3 on the floor at all times.
Okay, why not play D,B,T 32 min each and keep 2 of the 3 on the floor all the time? First of all T has to mesh with both D and B fairly well or it won't work and secondly it will be weak defensively - 32 minutes is still too long to keep up intense ball pressure game after game. (If you watched Eric play for the Clips and last year you'd have noticed that he virtually stopped pressuring the ball here(32.9 mpg) the way he did in LA.) An injury to any one of the three completely ruins the plan so you can bank on not having it for a third of the games. As others have talked about at some length is puts a real squeeze on the SF position - Marcus, PJ, Warren and Green splitting 48 minutes. That will put pressure on us to initiate going small, which will only work if the opponents respond by going small as well. I think we would hammer teams at small ball because of our strength at wing positions but I also think our opps wouldn't go along with it, willingly. I don't see trotting out the Morris bros at 4 & 5 causing opps to go small... they'd just salivate.
With all that ball pressure we still aren't at the level of contenders but we will be practicing what we want our long term style to be so our defense will be improving - and you can add trapping manuevers into it once its humming. Our frontcourt will need to improve but we have guys with a good bit of potential in Plumlee, Markieff and Len so it may turn out all we have to add is a solid backup PF. Toliver may do in the stretch 4 role but he's lacking a bit on defense and rebounding and his age is against him.
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I just don't see "trapping" as a way of life for these guards. I also think its counterintuitive to have Dragic and Thomas expend so much energy on defense given their strengths lean so clearly to the offensive side. Sure, we'll have a quickness advantage but with no rim protector and no length on the trap, I see more problems than success if we go this way. It's always a nice to tool to have in your bag but I don't see it as an every day thing for us.
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I hate this... I can't figure out why you used 'trapping' as the focus when it was a minor point in what I said and something for the future. And when I mentioned adding trapping I didn't mean that the guards would be doing it without involving other players - heck the typical trap involves a big who's defending a screener. But a ball pressure defense does lend itself to trapping - once the guys get the hang of controlling the direction the ball handler can move.
I guess you're saying we have no rim protection and its true, if you don't have anyone that can protect it against penetrating guards then a ball pressure D is probably not going to work too well. Typically you give up more penetration but the trade off is that you 'funnel' the penetrators into the range of your rim protectors.
Ball pressure D impacts the way the whole team defends. If the frontcourt players give their men a lot of room, they're large targets so the pressure doesn't limit passing very much. The front court defenders have to stay close and typically they front and overplay more to keep the targets smaller.
Ooops, its my bedtime so I'll have to continue on the morrow...
I agree with you Errntknght. You use the strengths of your roster. Relentless guard play is a big part of it.
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Interesting your chart. I would move Zoran to the sg slot, and Green to the SF slot. But its a fuzzy think once they are on the court anyway.
Tucker will start over Warren to begin the year. If Warren plays decent D, he will push Tucker out of the starting slot. If can shoot .360 or more from the 3 he will be a star. One of the benefits of the Morris twins is how they play together. So either Mook is going to get time at SF or Keef is going to get time at C.
Why do we have Randolph?
Ennis and Goodwin are going to log a lot of DNPs. I don't think Tolliver will get much burn either, unless someone is injured.
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Randolph is injury insurance and that's it. My guess is that he's also been good for chemistry, otherwise we would have just replaced him with some other big man scrub like Earl Barron.
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Ideally Ennis and Goodwin spend the majority of the year in the DLeague getting some burn there. Guard play is stacked and unless there's a major injury, they're not going to get any consistent minutes to improve.
Does anyone think there is a chance that the Suns make a move of some sort to make room for Barron? There isn't much that can be done, maybe trade Ennis for a future 1st rounder to Toronto or cut Tolliver, who is on a cheap deal and non guaranteed for next season. Of course they could also cut Randolph but he's been good for a 12th man this preseason. I think Barron has earned a spot on this team based on his preseason play in addition to how thin we are at C. I just don't see a lot of options to make room for him without cutting Randolph loose, which almost leaves our front line just as thin.
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The Suns should not be wasting their time with Earl Barron. If they make a move, it should be a trade for a defensive rebounding center or pf. There is no point in wasting their time on a 32 year old center who has never really stuck on an NBA roster just because he had a couple decent preseason games.
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Agreed. We need to make a move but creating room for Barron is like hanging onto a used bandaid. I'd rather send Ennis, Goodwin and up to 3 picks for a real big man. I'd make that offer for Sanders first and head elsewhere if they aren't interested (and they probably wouldn't be). If you can't find someone of value then try and sign that cement truck that Minnesota just waived.
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I take you mean Kyrylo Fesenko. I've always been intrigued about his physical attributes and the room he would occupy in the lane. However, his stats do not impress. Still I would like to parade him around and BC867 might be impressed.
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OK, let's do it!I take you mean Kyrylo Fesenko. I've always been intrigued about his physical attributes and the room he would occupy in the lane. However, his stats do not impress. Still I would like to parade him around and BC867 might be impressed.
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I take you mean Kyrylo Fesenko. I've always been intrigued about his physical attributes and the room he would occupy in the lane. However, his stats do not impress. Still I would like to parade him around and BC867 might be impressed.
No, I'm pretty sure his name is Cement Truck although I think I've heard some people calling him by his nickname Fesenko.
He's not going to solve all our problems but put him on a diet and an exercise program and I think he'd be an upgrade. Steve
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No, I'm pretty sure his name is Cement Truck although I think I've heard some people calling him by his nickname Fesenko.
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At least he would look the part.
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Last season, according to NBA.com/Stats, there were 29 five-man lineups that logged at least 300 minutes together.
Out of those 29 lineups, the starting lineup of Bledsoe, Dragic, P.J. Tucker, Channing Frye and Plumlee ranked first with a defensive rating of 93.1.
Now, replace Frye with Markieff Morris, and you have this season's starting lineup.
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Ripped this from a bleacher report article so haven't seen the list but pretty hard to comprehend anyway.
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Out of those 29 lineups, the starting lineup of Bledsoe, Dragic, P.J. Tucker, Channing Frye and Plumlee ranked first with a defensive rating of 93.1.
Now, replace Frye with Markieff Morris, and you have this season's starting lineup.
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Ripped this from a bleacher report article so haven't seen the list but pretty hard to comprehend anyway.
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BC867
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Until Bledsoe proves that he can play a whole season, it may be just that -- a "starting" lineup. Then it's "start again".
It may be our 2014 starting lineup. Time will tell if it is also our 2015 starting lineup.
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It makes good sense about the lineup you propose.
Is the sentiment in London and the rest of the UK glad that Scotland stayed part of the UK? I'm a huge fan of Amy Macdonald and kept a particular eye on the Scottish vote for independence.
