RugbyMuffin

Where?

If it is not in New Jersey which has the highest per capital in the country, then I would love to know where you are talking about.

Once again.

Never said ANYTHING about rich. The numbers are what they are. Justify trying to skew them all you want. If you are making said amount of money, you are in said bracket. If you are in said bracket, then the situation is what it is.

Find me the place where making over 80k a year as an individual is the "middle class" and you can color me shocked.

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conraddobler

The basic idea is what kind of enviroment you want to create, one that is at least neutral to forming new businesses or one that actually begins to quite severely discourage it.

I'd say we want to be neutral on it as possible so that you aren't throwing around incentives to fly off that cliff with paper wings but that people with good ideas will take the risk.

IMO we're moving towards a point everyone starts to think they got those paper wings and just hunkers down.

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CaptTurbo

D'Amato didnt say that that pay was middle class. I did. Its my pay and I am middle class. In fact I am so middle class and this pay range is SOOOO wonderful that both the democrats and republicans hate me and bend me over during tax time. Kinda like Joe Plumber. I work my ass off and go many weeks 16 hours a day.

Yet the dems think I am a billionaire and want to take everything and the republicans think I am poor and I dont get any breaks from them LOL

But yeah Rugby hate to tell ya its middle class. 250k is "supposedly" when you leave middle class.

Gaddabout

Rugby, a two-income family with each making $45K a year would now have an incentive to file separately to avoid such a punitive tax. Tax revenues would drop.

Just an observation.

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CaptTurbo

Central PA. And its a fairly low income area. In Philly 80k will put you in lower middle class.

CaptTurbo

BTW who cares what someone earns. Who wants to wait until September before you start making money for yourself? You really want to work Jan-Sept for Uncle Sam?

Again, at what point are you a slave? What if the government says the money you earn the first 363 days of the year is our the rest is yours. Is that slavery?

RugbyMuffin

Ok, so where does it begin ?

Seems to me that middle class is a term without meaning.

Actually, we should start fromr the beginning.

Fithly Stinking Rich
Upper Class
Middle Class
Lower Class
Poverty

Unless I am mistaken, that is how the pie is cut up ?

I guess it is a matter of where Lower Class ends and Middle class begins.


I dunno, this is where it becomes too much of a grey area. In my opinion, you have to pay taxes no matter what. The US society is just one big social club, and taxes are like paying your dues. If you wanna be in the club, you HAVE to pay your dues, and if you don't your a scumbag moocher.

Now since I feel taxes are a good thing, and a needed thing the next part of the situation is how to fairly implement the tax. Logic says that if you are getting more out of the soceity you live in, then you should put more into it.

That is all I am saying. I am never going to feel sympathy, or understand the plight of a person pays more in taxes as they make more money.

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82CardsGrad

Yep...

I don't understand why, when non-partisan groups like the CBO come out with their projections of billions and billions of added costs from this plan, nobody seems to listen... Is everyone truly under the Obama ether??

Huckabee (I happened to catch his show on Sunday for the first time) had a Canadian doctor on, along with a Canadian mother... It was extremely telling and I only wish everyone in the U.S. could have heard what these two had to say.
Forget about the added costs, added trillions of debt and deficits, and added tax burden to all of us... the horrific stories of poor healthcare and rationing were stunning...

LoyaltyisaCurse

Well, what is the cost of all of the currently insured paying while bearing the cost of the unisured any way and out of pocket expense.

My wife's insurance with the City of Los Angeles is going to be changing by end of year and we will have to go from 600 and 100% coverage after that to an out of pocket of $7,000 and only 80% covered after that.

That is a pretty large increase and will represent a large "Tax" on my family already.

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When I play rock, paper, scissors, I keep a glass of water in my hand and when my opponent throws down I throw the water in his face and say "Water". Beats all three, scissors can't cut-it, paper dissolves and the rock sinks. Plus it usually surprises the hell out of them.

82CardsGrad

There is no clear-cut definition that the entire country is willing to accept Rugby... However, suffice to say that most people/families who make in the vacinity of $250k most certainly do NOT consider themselves to be in the Upper Class...

LoyaltyisaCurse

Of course FOX is going to use an extreme example to push their Republican agenda and provided talking points. they want to scare Americans away from U.H.

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When I play rock, paper, scissors, I keep a glass of water in my hand and when my opponent throws down I throw the water in his face and say "Water". Beats all three, scissors can't cut-it, paper dissolves and the rock sinks. Plus it usually surprises the hell out of them.

82CardsGrad

This is largely a function of not enough competition... Which of course, will become a much bigger problem if/when Obama get his way.

What if your wife was able to source insurance from any provider anywhere in the country?

82CardsGrad

Whatever.... you take your "news" from the sources you feel are trustworthy (A.K.A. sources that fit your ideaology...).

You're no different than anyone else... believe what you want.

CaptTurbo

Wrong, Logic would say we all pay the same percentage of what we make. If you make 20000 and pay 10% you pay 2000 in taxes. if I make 100000 then I pay 10000. Sound fair right? Why should I have to pay a higher percentage? If I have to pay 58% income tax do you realize how much that is?

Why would you think it fair for anyone to work from Jan-Sept for the governemnt? Again, define slavery for me. How much taken away from the fruits of your labor makes you a slave? 1%, 10% 58% 99%?

RugbyMuffin

Great questions.

1. At what point are you a slave ?

That is relative. In my opinion, I already am a slave. But are we talking strict money, or over all life in general ?


2. Who wants to wait until September before you start making money for yourself?

Matters on what you are getting out of it. Right now ? HELL NO! I wouldn't want to pay the government for 2/3 of the year because I never see it do any good. Piss poor construction, corruption, horrible plans, horrible programs, terrible public schools, etc, etc. and the list goes on.

If my taxes were used better then, I wouldn't care about giving the government more money.

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Regardless, we are screwed. Higher taxes are coming, more socialist programs are coming. The plight of the majority of this country has reached a point were they have political power. The poor and suffering have suffered long enough. Obama said, "vote for me, and I will make sure you don't go into debt because you broke your foot" and enough people need that service that he got elected.

Maybe if we had a time machine and could go back in time and help the trickle down theory actually trickle down then this could be avoided. But, it is obvious that way too many, have way too little in way of money, and/or education.

I don't like it anymore than you, but it is what it is.

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