You guys are crazy wanting to trade PP

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  1. Buckybird

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    True. But if he’s a FA you’re most likely getting a 3rd pick.

    The dilemma is the Cards are making a push for the playoffs which really restricts them from trading him.
     
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    What I don’t know is how committed the Cards are to this being the year. If they figure this may be their best shot with a 5-2 start, they keep him. They have no replacement. As the quote indicated it not clear there’s big demand for PP. I’d keep him. Let him leave in FA and take the round 3 pick. I’m not sure he fetches more in a trade.
     
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    You know you just described Deon Sanders the greatest to ever play the position. If your looking for a physical tone setter out of your CB then your looking in the wrong place.

    he’s been in the league for a decade you think no ones ever said hey let’s run right at him. You know why no one does? Because you don’t run at cornerbacks there usually 20 yards downfield and if your CB is making the tackle that means that running back got through the defensive line and linebackers first that’s not good
     
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    Thank you. Exactly what I think. But hey Keim has been known to sign some crazy deals at the worst times
     
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    I think they'll tag him.next year. That effectively give us two years to replace him. His only real option is take the tag or retire.
     
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    Man it's really gonna be hard around here not having the approval of the almighty cheesebeef...
     
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    Sanders played in a total of 188 games and had 53 Int and 9 Tds. Take a look at his number of tackles for his career:

    https://www.nfl.com/players/deion-sanders/stats/career

    Sanders had extra value and returned kicks and also played WR—that added to his greatest.

    PP2 has been a much more physical player and has a lot more tackles & assists to his credit but also about half the INTs in his stat line (27 in 145 games). Early in his career he returned kicks and has played some WR—but not near the level of Sanders involvement.

    https://www.nfl.com/players/patrick-peterson/stats/

    Sanders is to the extreme of being a cover corner—teams absolutely refused to throw in his direction and when they did he’d go for the INT and often take the pick to the house. Teams also knew to run at him since they knew he would do the moon walk away from the tackle (just look at his career tackles).

    The point to trade PP2 is that he is still playing at a high level as a cover corner. But the signs are there that it is time to trade and get maximum value. In the SeaTurkey game, two Tds went over PP2—he had tight defense and came within a few inches of breaking up the play both times. The question is—at this point in his career is he going to close that distance and get that hand in there OR is it more likely that the distance of a near miss is going to increase?

    At this point in the season, Cards look to be in position to both make the playoffs and also to compete. Would you trade PP2 for a young pass rushing DL or OLB? Do we have enough pass rush with the loss of CJ? Granted we are thin at CB even with PP2 on the roster---but are we hurting as much if not more with the pass rush? Can we plug in a Murphy at CB provided we get a beast pass rusher? Or will we be a better team with PP2 and a weak pass rush?

    I do like to see more physical play from the CB—I wish PP2 would turn and defend the goal when his coverage duties have been accomplished. Note that Murphy will mix it up as a slot corner. I don’t expect the CB to trot toward the tackle and leave it to the other DBs to close and make the stop. I think PP2 is at max trade value and the time is right to get the highest return in trade. (I made my point. You are welcome to disagree.)
     
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    If he is tagged I m pretty sure he will hold out
     
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    His wife, a Doctor, would slap him and tell him to get out of the house and go to work for:

    2020 figures:

    CB $16,471,000 (transition) $14,570,000
     
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    If his wife was a housewife I would expect that
     
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    How much do you think P2 is getting paid if extended? Because it's very likely going to be $18m per, in a year where the cap drops $20m.

    Slay just got $16.8m at 29. That's going to be what his agent uses as a minimum.

    Sadly, we are in a situation where it's that or a rookie. So I don't see we have much choice.
     
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    Can we tag him?
    If we can tag him, let’s do that. Squeeze another Kyler R-Deal year out of a top-shelf CB.
     
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    Doubt it. Unless we go 8-8 or something this year.
     
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    Jim Brown tho.
    Earlier, too.
     
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    He very well could, but that just keeps him from getting paid the next year as we would still own his rights. And you never recoup that 16 mil. At his age I think he would play.
     
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