Wow. What Joe Thomas said.

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  1. Crimson Warrior

    Crimson Warrior Dangerous Murray Zealot

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    I have to jump in here on the supporting cast deal Solar7. I disagree with you based on what Murray had, because of what Mayfield had. Let's compare.

    2017 - Mayfield

    Oline - basically the same oline as Kyler's, except that Mayfield had the LT Orlando Brown, drafted in 2018 in the 3rd round by the Ravens

    WRs - Mayfield's top two were M. Brown, and Lamb. (Just like Murray)

    RB - here's the biggest difference. Mayfield had a kid named Rodney Anderson with him in the backfield, and Anderson was an absolute difference maker. Solar7, Mayfield had a significantly better running game (and receiving option out of the backfield) supporting him than did Murray.

    TE - Mayfield had Mark Andrews, drafted in the 3rd round by the Ravens (weird I know, there are about 50 sooners on BAL roster). Significant advantage to Mayfield here too.


    2018 - Murray

    Oline - great oline. Cody Ford (drafted in the 2nd round in 2019) replaced Orlando Brown.

    WRs - M. Brown and Lamb

    RB - Anderson blew out his knee vs UCLA (2nd game) in 2018. Trey Sermon was a bruiser, but not as good a runner, and nowhere near the receiver that Anderson was.

    TE - A capable kid named Calcevecia, but not nearly as dangerous as M. Andrews.


    My overriding point Solar7, is that Mayfield had a better supporting cast than Murray, and yet despite having an excellent supporting cast, Mayfield has not failed at the NFL level.

    My conclusion is, that Murray's very good supporting cast shouldn't be counted against him, in terms of evaluating his chances to be successful at the NFL level. :)

    Does that makes sense sir?
     
  2. Solar7

    Solar7 Also Skeptical

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    It all makes sense, but Mayfield has a few years ahead of him before I start to anoint him anything. The early returns indicate that he's pretty good, but let's see what happens when the spotlight is on him and there's a target painted on his back. Nonetheless, he had four years of college football to look back on, and a ton of passion to prove any naysayers wrong by participating in everything that he could.
     
  3. Krangthebrain

    Krangthebrain Captain of Team Murray

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    Mayfield probably isnt drafted 1st overall if he participated in nothing.

    Why does that bother you so much that Murray didnt work out? Are the underwear Olympics that important to you?
     
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    Solar7 Also Skeptical

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    Yes, doing everything in your power to prove to an organization that you are the right candidate is something I expect. I would expect it hiring someone who makes $50,000 a year, why wouldn't I hold that standard to someone who is going to make $30 million and holds the profitability of my business in their hand?
     
  5. Dr. Jones

    Dr. Jones Has No Time For Love

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    I know..... Sometimes I can be too confident for my own good.

    I just have this really crazy feeling. And my gut is usually right when I get this way.
     
  6. Krangthebrain

    Krangthebrain Captain of Team Murray

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    I'm pretty confident as well.

    Everything I've seen about Murray just gives me the impression that hes not a regular QB prospect in any way. He is very driven, a perfectionist.

    I think 10 years from now, Murray has a chance to be the best QB this franchise has ever had.
     
  7. slanidrac16

    slanidrac16 Registered User Contributor

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    Rebuttal coming in 3-2-1....
     
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    Haha, if you're expecting it from me, not coming.

    I'm all for Krang's enthusiasm on this one. I haven't seen a lot besides one report from Casserly that the guy has questions about his study habits or whatever.
     
  9. Krangthebrain

    Krangthebrain Captain of Team Murray

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    Yeah and that report was thoroughly refuted. There are agendas on all sides.

    Maybe Gruden planted that info? He said a day or two ago that he loved Murray but wouldnt trade up for him.
     
  10. jf-08

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    At least this is better than the McCoy offense from last year - "We don't know what the hell we are doing, so how can the defense possibly know what we are doing?"
     
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    BullheadCardFan Go for it Contributor

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    Lol, so true
     
  12. blindseyed

    blindseyed I'm saying you ARE stuck in Wichita

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    I loved watching Joe Thomas, he was so solid, just playing devil's advocate here but what great mobile (as in Kyler mobile) did he ever block for in the NFL and can't say RG3 cuz at that point he was toast lol
    And I am not discounting anything Thomas is saying either
     
  13. JeffGollin

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    I would.

    That's the way he'd try to beat you.
     
  14. blindseyed

    blindseyed I'm saying you ARE stuck in Wichita

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    And if he couldn't beat you....he'd just kneel....lol
     
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    slanidrac16 Registered User Contributor

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    Even the part saying Kyler has a chance to be the greatest cardinal qb of all time! You’re getting soft! Lol.
     
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