Wow. What Joe Thomas said.

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  1. kerouac9

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    Pretty sure defensive players would rather face Marcus Mariota than Tom Brady.
     
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    Lol apples and oranges there. How about Dalton or Wilson? Flacco or Mahomes?
     
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    Wait--why? How many Super Bowls has Mahomes won? Because I can tell you how many Flacco has won.

    Do you think defenses would rather face Brady or Wilson? Do you think it's easier to block for Wilson or Brady?

    Russell Wilson is probably the most disciplined dual threat QB in the NFL and Seattle allowed ONE FEWER sack than we did last year.
     
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    Krangthebrain Captain of Team Murray

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    I agree, dual threat QBs tend to get sacked more.

    They "why" is important though. Is it because they attempt to extend plays more, leading to more sacks but also completions where pocket passers would throw the ball in the dirt? Or is it because teams with dual threat QBs tend to devalue the offensive line?

    IMO it's a bit of both. The Seahawks, early on, tended to believe they could get by with later picks (the Whisenhunt strategy) but have thrown more at offensive line as it became more apparent that Wilson was important to their success.

    I also don't think there is more of a correlation of dual threat QBs getting hurt in the NFL. Pocket passers get hurt too.
     
  5. slanidrac16

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    I think most would rather go against Jesus than Brady. Lol. IMHO I just think a mobile qb is harder to defend.
     
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    Not dick Butkus he wants to blind since them in the open field and rip either way with both hands
     
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    Oklahoma had a great college OL, but I find it hard to believe that their whole line is pro caliber. Sure, I think they have maybe two on that group who will be NFL caliber but though they helped Murray... I think having a mobile QB operating in that offense made them look better than they are
     
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    They had 4 OL drafted in the first 4 rounds of the draft.
     
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    In 2018, OU's line was at least very good, and most would consider it great.

    Did this fact contribute to Murray's other-worldly 2018 performance? Without question.

    Will not having a dominant line in front him in 2019 negatively affect KM's performance this year? Also, without question.

    However, we do not need Murray to post a passer rating of 199, and run for 1000 yards, like he did in 2018. If he is just 50% as effective/productive in 2019, as he was in 2018, then the pick will be considered wildly successful.

    50%.
     
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    I agree with you JG , I thought KM showed a lot of mobility , and a lot of resolve . Many either didn't know or chose to ignore that the center snapping the ball to KM was a true freshman straight out of high school . I thought KM handled adversity superbly when the OU defense collapsed , giving up more than 40 points a game over 4 consecutive games , which led to the DC being fired in the middle of the season .Usually when things like that happen the program will nose dive , I liked the way KM met those challenges and won all 4 of those games . I think our young QB has been tested and found to be Captain Cool . IMHO he absolutely made the OU team look better than it was .
     
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    I dont know if I would consider 2700 passing yards and 500 rushing yards "wildly successful".
     
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    My thinking too. Except that this carries certain scary risk factors - like the small mobile guy being cold-cocked by the defensive MVP. For the Cards to succeed will require more than a little "Murray magic" and, of course, more than a little luck.
     
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    I meant 50% of his passer rating BRR.

    16 starts, 100 QB rating, 500 rushing yards = wildly successful.

    And again, that's just 50% of his 2018 numbers for those two stats.
     
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    I never once said their OL was not going to get drafted, and being drafted does not confirm you are a NFL caliber player till you prove you are one. I said I question whether or not that whole line was that good or if possibly Murray had something to do with making certain members appear to be thought of as so. I think it goes both ways, and Kyler might be responsible for such a large percentage of that line being drafted as much as they played a role for him. One of those what came first, the chicken or the egg
     
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    You don't need to be an NFL starter to be "NFL caliber."

    Find me another team with 4 draftees in one season. It took Alabama 3 drafts to get to that number, and they're a dominant program at the position. Kyler had them all at once.
     

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