Would you fire Gannon?

[BirdGangThing]

There is a legitimate path to us going 4-13 this year. If that does happen, I don't see how we keep him. I think Monti will stick around, though, which is a shame. I have absolutely no faith in Monti's ability to properly utilize high draft picks. Or any draft picks, really.

i think we can pull off 3-14 but murrays gotta start every week

 

[daves]

Not enough poll options.

Murray's got to go regardless.

If the Cardinals completely fall apart and win 5 games or fewer, everyone's gotta go.

If they recover from the hole they're in to go, say, 7-10 or 8-9 vs. a tough 2nd half schedule... Let's see how the O and D each look, and whether the entire staff can completely excise their tendency to turtle.

I get the arguments for cleaning house regardless, but part of me holds out hope that with a new QB and some continuity, this could be a playoff team next year. I know the chances are small, but....

If everyone is fired, the chances of actually hiring a new GM, HC, OC/DC, and drafting a QB who all turn out to be improvements, starting over and actually winning a playoff game in my lifetime seems even less likely.

 

[Chopper0080]

That's a blatant falsehood. Back to the drawing board with you.

As to the bolded, you can either A)Have a guaranteed negative result or B)Do the only logical thing in the scenario and throw the ball whoever your QB happens to be. And, you know, maybe you can run a play fake, or a special play that *gasp* limits that QB's deficiencies! Or just draw up a play where he throws it deep so an INT doesn't hurt us. And the most likely negative outcome is Kyler pulling a standard turtling maneuver to take a sack, which would have made no material difference whatsoever.

I get it. You love Gannon as a coach. You will hear nothing against Gannon. Do we need a special thread at the top of the page about it?

As much as I stretched with my "the secondary sucks" line, you are going full hyperbole with this. You and I both know there is not one recent post or thread on here (maybe ever) that states I love Gannon as a HC or don't believe he has flaws. Since you like to throw around the "you're better than this" statement, you're better than this overly dramatic and fake news statement.

 

[Mulli]

Everyone is forgetting “the joy is in the competition.”

 

[Chopper0080]

Everyone is forgetting “the joy is in the competition.”

Ben Johnson hates dogs and leaves his shopping carts in the middle of parking lots.

 

[BirdGangThing]

53.2% of asfn voters in favor of keeping gannon even if we miss the playoffs after going 9-8 last year

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[Harry]

Got directly asked will Gannon be fired. I believe he stays, but my preference is he leaves. Also asked his future. I believe he will learn from this experience, get another shot and do well.

 

[Stout]

As much as I stretched with my "the secondary sucks" line, you are going full hyperbole with this. You and I both know there is not one recent post or thread on here (maybe ever) that states I love Gannon as a HC or don't believe he has flaws. Since you like to throw around the "you're better than this" statement, you're better than this overly dramatic and fake news statement.

All's fair when you blatantly misquote me. I am still waiting for you to address the major issues I have pointed out. You might say he has his flaws, but you're more than willing to live with them.

Tell me, if he continues coaching scared and having his coordinators coach scared, and our slide continues to a horrendous losing record, will your opinion change or will you still want the guy back? Because it is undeniable that he is not doing a good coaching job atm.

 

[Stout]

Got directly asked will Gannon be fired. I believe he stays, but my preference is he leaves. Also asked his future. I believe he will learn from this experience, get another shot and do well.

I'm not sure if he'll ever get another shot, and if he'll do well if he does, but I agree with your statement about his status and your preference.

 

[Mulli]

Bidwill hired the current idiots to be the opposites of the last idiots, he will stay with these idiots

 

[PDXChris]

I did not answer the poll. There are too many variables involved. If the rothers stays the course and Monti proceeds as usual and Kyler stays, then JG needs to go or at least the entire Offensive staff. If we go new QB, then I am willing to get JG stay, but I am still want to see offensive coaching changes.

I have a feeling Michael told Monti has 3 years of Kyler and if he doesn't take us back to the playoffs, he gets to pick his QB to see what he can do. It would be wild to see Kyler outlast JG and Monti.

 

[Mulli]

Where is the “he should be fired for losing to the Titans” option?

 

[kerouac9]

I have a feeling Michael told Monti has 3 years of Kyler and if he doesn't take us back to the playoffs, he gets to pick his QB to see what he can do. It would be wild to see Kyler outlast JG and Monti.

lol why would he have said this two years ago?

 

[BirdGangThing]

lol why would he have said this two years ago?

the .500 writing was on the wall when kyler came back after dobbs and only continued last year

.500 doesn't cut it in the nfc west - now we're not even .500 - if we suck this year it's because of gannon - who's had all the information in the world since the completion of the last season - he watched the same kyler we saw and still didn't make a move

well look at us now

 

[kerouac9]

If they recover from the hole they're in to go, say, 7-10 or 8-9 vs. a tough 2nd half schedule... Let's see how the O and D each look, and whether the entire staff can completely excise their tendency to turtle.

If the Cards end up 7-10 it means they went 5-6 the rest of the way and everyone stays including Kyler.

 

[PDXChris]

lol why would he have said this two years ago?

Do you really find it that absurd that the Michael would hamstring his GM to not pay out Kyler early? Really? Why Drew is still employed? Why the offense has been mostly neglected? It is 100% speculation on my part that Monti never wanted Kyler and had a timeline given with Kyler. Nothing else makes sense at the lack of resources added compared to the defense. Aside from PJJ, Jonah's 2 year deal (horrible signing) and getting lucky with Fro, what has Monti tried to do for the offense. There is no world where Dortch should still be as much a part of this offense as he is. He never tried to build around Kyler. Marv and PJJ were given picks. You need tackles no mater what and had we passed on a WR last year, it would have been blatantly obvious.

Again, this is 100% internal speculation with no much his approach doesn't make sense with the offense. Or Klayton Adams was that good at hiding our flaws and we screwed up not firing Drew and promoting him

 

[kerouac9]

the .500 writing was on the wall when kyler came back after dobbs and only continued last year

.500 doesn't cut it in the nfc west - now we're not even .500 - if we suck this year it's because of gannon - who's had all the information in the world since the completion of the last season - he watched the same kyler we saw and still didn't make a move

well look at us now

Monti and Gannon only got the job because they were willing to lash themselves to Kyler.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Monti and Gannon only got the job because they were willing to lash themselves to .500

el fixed-o

 

[kerouac9]

Aside from PJJ, Jonah's 2 year deal (horrible signing) and getting lucky with Fro, what has Monti tried to do for the offense.

PJJ
Marv
Adams
Tip
Benson
Wilson
Extending Conner

FWIW the Athletic Football Sgownhas said that the cards didn’t purposefully neglect the offense this past offseason, they just couldn’t find the values to make improvements. Specifically cited Jordan Burch as an example.

This is a much more plausible theory to me than that Monti was handed a lame duck QB, told to ride him out for THREE SEASONS, and has been intentionally sabotaging him for the past year-plus.

That’s deranged my man.

 

[JosiahLee]

He has to go after this season, period. I just did some research on every good HC in this league and the common factor is every single one of them had success early. Meaning, there is no such thing as “a coach just needs 4 or 5 years to grow into the job and figure it out.” That’s not what the evidence shows. I thought this was pretty wild.

Kyle Shanahan - 2 losing seasons than 13 wins and a Super Bowl appearance

Sean McDermott - winning record and playoff appearance year 1; overall - 2 winning seasons and playoff appearances in first 3 years

Sean Payton - winning record in year 1 and NFC championship game appearance
*Super Bowl win year 4

Kevin Stefanski - winning season and playoff win year 1

Todd Bowles - first 3 years in Tampa, three straight playoff appearances

Jim Harbaugh - 3 straight NFC championship game appearances including a Super Bowl appearance

Andy Reid - playoffs year 2 including a playoff win, playoffs year 3 and an NFC championship appearance

Dan Quinn - playoffs year 2 and Super Bowl appearance, playoffs year 3 and playoff win

Nick Sirianni - winning record and playoffs every year including a super bowl appearance in year 2
*Super Bowl win year 4

Dan Campbell - winning record by year 2, NFC championship appearance year 3

Matt lafleur - 13 wins in year 1, 2, & 3. NFC championship appearance year 1 & 2

Pete Carroll - playoffs year 2 in NE including playoff win, playoffs year 3;
Then in Seattle, playoff win year 1 & year 3

Sean McVay - winning record first 3 years, playoffs year 1, Super Bowl appearance year 2

John Harbaugh - winning seasons and playoffs first 3 years, including AFC championship game year 1

Mike McDonald - 10-7 year 1; currently 4-2 year 2

Mike Tomlin, winning season yr 1 & playoff appearance, *Super Bowl win year 2, winning season year 3

Kevin O’Connell - 13 wins and playoffs appearance year 1, 14 wins and playoffs appearance year 3

 

[BirdGangThing]

my bad - perhaps ive been to hard on the beaver

kyler isn't a .500 qb

he's a 38-48-1 qb

 

[Stout]

PJJ
Marv
Adams
Tip
Benson
Wilson
Extending Conner

FWIW the Athletic Football Sgownhas said that the cards didn’t purposefully neglect the offense this past offseason, they just couldn’t find the values to make improvements. Specifically cited Jordan Burch as an example.

This is a much more plausible theory to me than that Monti was handed a lame duck QB, told to ride him out for THREE SEASONS, and has been intentionally sabotaging him for the past year-plus.

That’s deranged my man.

The bolded are arguably either not big pluses or actual negatives.

 

[BirdGangThing]

11 games to save is job is the way i see it

 

[kerouac9]

The bolded are arguably either not big pluses or actual negatives.

But they’re actual investments.

 

[JosiahLee]

11 games to save is job is the way i see it

This is fair. He has 11 games to 8-3, good luck JG.