Would you fire Gannon?

[BirdGangThing]

I’ll also say it’s a tad concerning that Monti seems to be worse at drafting than a dude who was hammered six nights a week.

Or it was Jason Licht all along.

we've competed with everybody - it's the winning part that eludes us

 

[kerouac9]

How quickly Gannon imploded the second there were expectations is the disqualifying thing for me. Lot of coaches around the league can get borderline roster league guys to play with their hair on fire, it’s easy to motivate a guy who’s playing for a paycheck. A lot harder when there’s a microscope on the organization and your players don’t really “need” you.

I keep going back to how BA won here even with the trainwreck GM and same ownership. Ownership obviously sucks but you know you’re legit if you go into Seattle and beat the LOB every year even with Drew Stanton.

Arians should go in the RoH honestly. It’s shameful that Carson Palmer is there and Bruce isn’t/

 

[Cheesebeef]

Arians should go in the RoH honestly. It’s shameful that Carson Palmer is there and Bruce isn’t/

It’s really lame that he’s not up there.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

It’s really lame that he’s not up there.

Palmer knew the way into the RoH: Kissing MB’s butt.

It’s why Adrian Wilson is in over guys like Dockett. BA was never the guy to play those games.

 

[Stout]

I’m not a Gannon fan. He acts like a smart-ass to the press. He and his staff are poor game mangers. If this isn’t turned around he should be gone at the end of the season along with his staff.

Yeah, this year he has shown that he offers nothing as a head coach. He's bad.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Yeah, this year he has shown that he offers nothing as a head coach. He's bad.

What about "pew pew pew"?

That's when we all were wondering if he could really turn this team around

 

[oaken1]

Stick with a loser showing bad traits as a coach? Hmm...

He shows promise as a HC too.
We all knew there would be a steep learning curve with a rookie HC and two rookie coordinators.

I really like Rallis,...and dude is only like 12 or something.

I would dump kyler...dump The Petzing... draft a QB early...then sign an experienced OC...
Even kliff had the benefit of having an exe HC to lean on...
Gannons entire crew has to whip out their google-fu every time they have a question.
We need to put JG in a position where he can totally forget about one side of the ball and focus on developing as a HC. Whenever he does that now, The Petzing calls 3 consecutive A-Gap Blasts, then punts.
I don't know if it was Mike or monti...but it was a huge mistake to allow the entire staff to be filled out with rookie coaches.

 

[oaken1]

Keep in mind getting Arians was a fluke. How many times does a winning coach get made available by his team? I will credit Bidwill for seizing the opportunity, but it’s unlikely to happen again.

If we want one we are gonna have to grow our own

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

All I know is that the churn of HCs over the history of the franchise in AZ has led us to this point. When do we try something different?

Should’ve given Dave McGinnis 10 years to do something different.

 

[kerouac9]

Should’ve given Dave McGinnis 10 years to do something different.

That’s the problem when you play out this argument. We as fans really can’t see enough to know.

 

[Stout]

He shows promise as a HC too.
We all knew there would be a steep learning curve with a rookie HC and two rookie coordinators.

I really like Rallis,...and dude is only like 12 or something.

I would dump kyler...dump The Petzing... draft a QB early...then sign an experienced OC...
Even kliff had the benefit of having an exe HC to lean on...
Gannons entire crew has to whip out their google-fu every time they have a question.
We need to put JG in a position where he can totally forget about one side of the ball and focus on developing as a HC. Whenever he does that now, The Petzing calls 3 consecutive A-Gap Blasts, then punts.
I don't know if it was Mike or monti...but it was a huge mistake to allow the entire staff to be filled out with rookie coaches.

In what ways?

I used to like Rallis, too. Then this season happened.

The way you're talking about giving Gannon a chance is the way Kyler stans talk about giving Kyler a chance, as if we should wait until we make everything great around him before making a judgment.

 

[Cheesebeef]

He shows promise as a HC too.

How? In what is the “we’re finally ready to compete season” he’s made one baffling CRITICAL decision after another that have repeatedly been problems and major reasons why we keep losing close games.

What is this promise? Outside of a four game winning streak last year against the fearsome foursome of the Jets, Bears, Dolphins and Chargers, this team has been an abominable 10-28. Hell, even with that brief win streak against the Sisters Of the Poor, his record is a pathetic 14-28.

What is this promise you speak of?

 

[DVontel]

He shows promise as a HC too.

He lost to the Tennessee Titans dude.

 

[oaken1]

He lost to the Tennessee Titans dude.

the team has a devastating lack of on field leadership. a HC cant execute on the field.
But the simple fact that his players will run through a wall for him has huge value.
our biggest issue is that James Conner seems to have been the only source of leadership on our entire offense.
with the draft profile these guys talk about you would expect more of these young guys to step up and take ownership of the squad,,,but they havent....and we all know we aint getting any leadership from the QB...the main position its expected from...so the team plays aimlessly.

I know you have heard it before. But at some point players have to execute..we just dont seem to have acquired guys who will direct their teammates to do it.

 

[DVontel]

the team has a devastating lack of on field leadership. a HC cant execute on the field.
But the simple fact that his players will run through a wall for him has huge value.
our biggest issue is that James Conner seems to have been the only source of leadership on our entire offense.
with the draft profile these guys talk about you would expect more of these young guys to step up and take ownership of the squad,,,but they havent....and we all know we aint getting any leadership from the QB...the main position its expected from...so the team plays aimlessly.

I know you have heard it before. But at some point players have to execute..we just dont seem to have acquired guys who will direct their teammates to do it.

Run through a wall for him? What the hell kind of value is that? Is the wall too big when the 4th quarter arrives?

Our issue is we have a bad & conservative HC who looks to be way over his head.

The fanbase is jumping for joy over close losses against the Colts & Packers when I’m seeing other mediocre/bad teams actually beat those Colts & Packers teams.

 

[DVontel]

Trying imagine a world where we lose the rest of our games but all of them are “close losses”

At least they ran through a wall for him

 

[kerouac9]

Trying imagine a world where we lose the rest of our games but all of them are “close losses”

At least they ran through a wall for him

Guys think about getting everything out of Evan Brown.

Think about it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Run through a wall for him? What the hell kind of value is that? Is the wall too big when the 4th quarter arrives?

Our issue is we have a bad & conservative HC who looks to be way over his head.

The fanbase is jumping for joy over close losses against the Colts & Packers when I’m seeing other mediocre/bad teams actually beat those Colts & Packers teams.

Seriously.

Where were they running through walls trying to beat an absolutely PATHETIC Titans team? Or how about last year, with the playoffs on the line going into a terrible Panthers team and immediately going down 21-0 where they then had to play perfect the rest of the game… just to STILL lose to that pathetic team in OT and end all playoff hopes?

The expectations for this team are just comically low for a lot of fans of this franchise.

 

[JosiahLee]

Especially in THIS current era of NFL football. Turnarounds are expected, not wished for. Didn't think the Colts and the Patriots would both leave us in the dust. Had you asked me before the season started if we'd be worse than them at this point in the season, I would have looked at you like you were crazy.

You forgot to mention the Bears, Panthers, Jaguars, Broncos…EVERYONE’S rebuild is ahead of ours.

 

[Stout]

the team has a devastating lack of on field leadership. a HC cant execute on the field.
But the simple fact that his players will run through a wall for him has huge value.
our biggest issue is that James Conner seems to have been the only source of leadership on our entire offense.
with the draft profile these guys talk about you would expect more of these young guys to step up and take ownership of the squad,,,but they havent....and we all know we aint getting any leadership from the QB...the main position its expected from...so the team plays aimlessly.

I know you have heard it before. But at some point players have to execute..we just dont seem to have acquired guys who will direct their teammates to do it.

Players playing hard is NOT a huge feather in a coach's cap. It is the absolute minimum requirement.

 

[602 Native]

We are a total poverty franchise in a division full of Kings

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[BullheadCardFan]

We are a total poverty franchise in a division full of Kings

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Less than 1%

Yikes!

 

[Harry]

I think Gannon has many of the qualities to be a successful coach. I just think he needs to understand he failed in AZ and why. If they hang on to him he can rationalize his failure. They actually do him a failure by firing him.

 

[Ronin]

Is Cardinals coach Jonathan Gannon on the hot seat?

Could Jonathan Gannon find himself out of a job in the winter?

uk.sports.yahoo.com

 

[football karma]

I think Gannon has many of the qualities to be a successful coach. I just think he needs to understand he failed in AZ and why. If they hang on to him he can rationalize his failure. They actually do him a failure by firing him.

I think number one is thats its fine in principle to let your coordinators coordinate -- but that there is also a time a HC to step in and drive an adjustment

not sure if the second part happens