Why the collapse???

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I made a statement last year saying I think Murray has a low ceiling and will not get much better than he's already showing and boy did I get hammered for that. It doesn't seem so far fetched now. I am going to say Murray has Camitis. Cam always seem to think he could get by on sheer natural ability and athleticism and never made the effort to better himself as a QB, at least not in the traditional way and in that I mean the off field work. I think Murray has a similar view of himself.
 

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Im gonna go out on a limb here...lets see if I can explain myself properly...

sometimes a team...sports, office, whatever... has a leader with a knack for easing pressure on his guys. mannerisms, speeches, whatever... the dude is just for some reason cool as a cucumber and the people around him get relaxed and focused on their tasks.

sometimes, a team has a leader that increases the stress and pressure on the people around him,..mannerisms, speeches, passive aggressive comments, etc.

football players should be loose, relaxed...that allows them to focus on their task and get in the zone. but with this team, every single game that has some sort of meaning.... they come out tense, wound up, unfocused, while early in the season when the games mean nothing they come out playing loose.
the bigger the game, the more pressure,,,, the more tense the team is...from the opening gun.

we saw it in the first half of the first game with this group, against detroit....we saw it last year in the two opportunities to clinch a playoff spot... we saw it this season in what was it?? four opportunities to clinch a playoff spot? then a chance to win the west?
then that disaster yesterday.

maybe keim is on the hot seat and tied to this staff, so he is spending more time in the locker room?

maybe kliff feels the pressure due to his history of late season collapse and relays that tension to his team?

Maybe kyler has absolute **** locker room leadership and tries to bully team mates or makes offhand comments??

obviously I dont know where it is coming from. but my guess is this is what is happening. when these guys take the field in important games they are feeling way more pressure than they should. There is a toxic personality somewhere in the chain of command or in the locker room...or two...
 

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I personally think it's because of a lack of leadership. Coach Bro is too willing to be the cool guy with the players, and Kyler doesn't seemingly like to be vocal. He pouts, and he doesn't put in the mental work.

Talent plays a huge part. We don't have any strong drafted depth. We barely have players we can rely on that are home grown. Chemistry (if we really have any) is going to be hard to maintain next year. I think we need a major reset.
 

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Kyler play good

Then...

Kyler play bad.

Kyler weeks 1-8

284.5 yards per game
17/7 TD to INT ratio
2.12 TD's per game
72.41 comp %
Passer rating 109
8.84 YPA

Kyler weeks 12-17

251 yards per game
7/3 TD/INT ratio
1.16 TD's per game
66.29 comp %
Passer rating 94.9
6.84 YPA

His TD's per game dropped a whole 1. Nearly halved.

His TD to INT ratio doubled.

His comp % dropped over 6 percentage points.

His passer rating dropped 15 points and YPA dropped a whole 2 yards or 25%.

Two completely different players.
I do believe he had more than 3 INTs through game 12-17
 

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How much did Covid effect the team. Chandler took a few weeks to looks average after he was out. Humphries was terrible after coming back, Kliff looked like he aged 10 years after his bout. Even Hudson little a little slower. Others had it too, but I wonder how much it effected the team physically and mentally doen the stretch.
 

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How much did Covid effect the team. Chandler took a few weeks to looks average after he was out. Humphries was terrible after coming back, Kliff looked like he aged 10 years after his bout. Even Hudson little a little slower. Others had it too, but I wonder how much it effected the team physically and mentally doen the stretch.
Man a lot of teams got hit. And got hit as bad or worse than we did and they didn’t poop the bed the way we did.
 

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I personally think it's because of a lack of leadership. Coach Bro is too willing to be the cool guy with the players, and Kyler doesn't seemingly like to be vocal. He pouts, and he doesn't put in the mental work.

Talent plays a huge part. We don't have any strong drafted depth. We barely have players we can rely on that are home grown. Chemistry (if we really have any) is going to be hard to maintain next year. I think we need a major reset.
How many times have we heard Kingsbury say we’re going to do what Kyler is most comfortable with?
Kyler and Kingsbury play college ball. Kingsbury believe his play designs, play calling and game plan will overcome his opponent no matter what the situation. To hell with exploiting match ups. Empty backfield, no huddle, horizontal attack are all thinks they both have enjoyed in college.
The adage no huddle wears out the defense is dumb because it wears out your players too. There is a time to use it. Third and one. Your opponent stacks the line of scrimmage. You make the first down and you get to the line of scrimmage not allowing their big package to get off the field.
Unless Kingsbury and Kyler learn how to play NFL big boy football we will continue to see exactly what we we watched the last 2 seasons.
 

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