Why It’s a Risk to Hire a Coach With a Losing Record

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Do we know how much liberty Kyler has to call audibles at the line of scrimmage? Not every coach has a game manager like Brees/Brady/Peyton/Warner.

You also drew your own conclusion about him not recognizing defensive alignments, without having direct knowledge of so, based off a different report about game film. Irony is still thick.
First of all it‘s inconceivable a third year QB doesn’t have absolute discretion to call an audible. Your giving away your knowledge level. I based my conclusion on alignments from watching & reviewing games. I believe my professional experience confirms that ability. Give me an example of a hot read you’ve seen him make. Again the lack of these things are obvious to an experienced observer. Watch another 3rd year QB. They’ll call several audibles a game. The only reason to do that is you’ve been given a play that is not efficient against the defensive alignment. You’ll see the QB turn his head to one side of the line to the other to make sure everyone has the new play. That behavior is rare with Murray. No coach always predicts the right play to call, so you have audibles especially in the red zone.
 

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I understand all that in regards to the article, but we were really talking about the quote. The only way to discredit that is to believe it didn’t come from an authentic source, it was quoted incorrectly, or it was quoted outta context, no?
Sure. I guess what I'm saying is, unverified quote, I don't believe it. Doesn't mean it didn't happen, but I need some semblance of verifiability to lend credence. Anyone could have said that, including some intern. I work with people all the time who say they are chefs. They are not. They are cooks. DOes that make sense? I guess I'm not looking to discredit it, I just wont pay it mind.
 

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Sure. I guess what I'm saying is, unverified quote, I don't believe it. Doesn't mean it didn't happen, but I need some semblance of verifiability to lend credence. Anyone could have said that, including some intern. I work with people all the time who say they are chefs. They are not. They are cooks. DOes that make sense? I guess I'm not looking to discredit it, I just wont pay it mind.
I understand that. So what criteria makes a publication or writer “credible” to you? I understand taking things with a grain of salt, but I why read an article if you don’t believe it will contain some info you want? Like why even read that article if you are just going to dismiss it?
 

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First of all it‘s inconceivable a third year QB doesn’t have absolute discretion to call an audible. Your giving away your knowledge level. I based my conclusion on alignments from watching & reviewing games. I believe my professional experience confirms that ability. Give me an example of a hot read you’ve seen him make. Again the lack of these things are obvious to an experienced observer. Watch another 3rd year QB. They’ll call several audibles a game. The only reason to do that is you’ve been given a play that is not efficient against the defensive alignment. You’ll see the QB turn his head to one side of the line to the other to make sure everyone has the new play. That behavior is rare with Murray. No coach always predicts the right play to call, so you have audibles especially in the red zone.
I didn't say it was inconceivable that he doesn't have it. I said we don't know if he always has it.

You are STILL jumping to a conclusion, after you basically said that you shouldn't. But whatever. You sure are picking a weird hill to die on.
 

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What a joke of an article.
“Honestly, I think it’s that Kliff has such an easy-going atmosphere in that building,” a league source with ties to the Cardinals tells FanSided. “Hell, leading into Week 1, the first team never practiced or played together at full-speed. Veterans hardly ever practice. There isn’t any structure or discipline there.”
Is this even remotely credible? Even if it WERE... if that approach is what led to the Cardinals pummeling the Titans in week 1 and getting off to a 7-0 start, I hope Kingsbury repeats it every year.
“They have just relied on the fact that they have superior talent the past two years,” the source says.
Suuuure... the Cardinals were LOADED with talent last year!
“With Kyler Murray, a little banged up, no DeAndre Hopkins, no Rondale Moore, it really lessens what defenses have to do to beat them,” the AFC Scouting Director says. “And defensively, losing Watt was just huge. He was really impactful before the injury.
Ummm... i thought this was supposed to be a hit piece on how Kingsburry is "overhyped and not a good coach"?!
“Here’s the problem with Arizona; they’re a finesse team. They race out to 7-0, and they’re playing in good climates. Three of those games are at home, three are in the heat. You get December and January, it’s not good climates. You’re screwed bigger than life. You’re going to places like Green Bay, and it’s like ‘wow we’re not used to this.'”
Three game were at home... but that obviously wasn't much of a benefit as anyone who was paying attention would know. "Three are in the heat". Yeah, pretty much every team plays in good weather in September and October. And the weather was pretty ****** when the clobbered the Browns.

The whole article was an amateurish hit-piece completely devoid of substance. Plenty of posters here have voiced legitimate questions and doubts about Kingsbury, but that article was complete dreck by utter know-nothings, entirely unworthy of being mentioned here.

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This is highly relevant, because the 2021 team still has the vast maturity, consistency, and experience of Kurt Warner to lead them to the promised land. This 2021 team still has an in-his-prime Fitz and Anquan Boldin to throw. The 2021 team has those weapons to overcome other roster holes and defensive deficiencies. The 2021 has all of those weapons to snap out of the slide, right? Oh, they don't? Then I guess this is an incredibly irrelevant comparison. You know. Just sayin'.
 
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Sure. I guess what I'm saying is, unverified quote, I don't believe it. Doesn't mean it didn't happen, but I need some semblance of verifiability to lend credence. Anyone could have said that, including some intern. I work with people all the time who say they are chefs. They are not. They are cooks. DOes that make sense? I guess I'm not looking to discredit it, I just wont pay it mind.
What??? This is The NY Times. Shpigel has been covering sports for them since 2005. Before that he worked for the Dallas Morning News. I suspect if he were making up quotes he would have been outed by now. You guys are grasping at straws. Murray said it.
 
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I didn't say it was inconceivable that he doesn't have it. I said we don't know if he always has it.

You are STILL jumping to a conclusion, after you basically said that you shouldn't. But whatever. You sure are picking a weird hill to die on.
I feel quite good for a dead guy! Don’t think this was a case of jumping as opposed to substantiating.
 

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Here is the quote from the NY Times FWIW:

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They are worried cause in the last 8 games the team is 3/5 and the last 2 games were painful to watch
One of the most used motto in the nfl
Is not the starts that matter but how u finish
There is a winning attitude on this team to overcome the losing streak?
Last season we watched the team collapse after a great start
Correct

This is the part of the season that contenders separate from pretenders. Look at the good teams in the league like the Bills, Cowboys, Chiefs etc.. they are on winning streaks not losing streaks. Good teams are playing their best football of the season right now, not getting blown out by awful teams like the Lions.

This team simply does not have the leadership needed to back into the playoffs and all of a sudden be successful against top tier teams. Peter Schrager who was on the sidelines of the Colts game made a comment that the teams attitude during that loss was just flat with no emotion and no leadership. That is not the attitude of a championship football team in late December.
 

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Correct

This is the part of the season that contenders separate from pretenders. Look at the good teams in the league like the Bills, Cowboys, Chiefs etc.. they are on winning streaks not losing streaks. Good teams are playing their best football of the season right now, not getting blown out by awful teams like the Lions.

This team simply does not have the leadership needed to back into the playoffs and all of a sudden be successful against top tier teams. Peter Schrager who was on the sidelines of the Colts game made a comment that the teams attitude during that loss was just flat with no emotion and no leadership. That is not the attitude of a championship football team in late December.
I think its a bit unfair when some of those other teams are finally getting healthy and the Cards resemble a mash unit the last few games. When healthy Id put the Cards up against any team in the league.
 

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I think its a bit unfair when some of those other teams are finally getting healthy and the Cards resemble a mash unit the last few games. When healthy Id put the Cards up against any team in the league.
The cards just lost to a Rams team that had a Covid outbreak that took several players out, a awful Lions team that was missing several starters and a Colts team that was missing it's entire O Line. Every team is dealing with Covid and Injuries right now. Injuries are not an excuse for poor play and lack of motivation in the NFL.
 

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The cards just lost to a Rams team that had a Covid outbreak that took several players out, a awful Lions team that was missing several starters and a Colts team that was missing it's entire O Line. Every team is dealing with Covid and Injuries right now. Injuries are not an excuse for poor play and lack of motivation in the NFL.
Like I told Cheese or Ouchie or Stout??? The Cards are not a deep team. Our second team is like any other teams 3rd team. Our stars pretty much have to be injury free for us to compete on a high level. That's just the way it is unfortunately.
 

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Like I told Cheese or Ouchie or Stout??? The Cards are not a deep team. Our second team is like any other teams 3rd team. Our stars pretty much have to be injury free for us to compete on a high level. That's just the way it is unfortunately.
Very accurate when compared to playoff teams. You could argue the bull of our starters would be back-ups on playoff teams as well.
 

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What a joke of an article.

Is this even remotely credible? Even if it WERE... if that approach is what led to the Cardinals pummeling the Titans in week 1 and getting off to a 7-0 start, I hope Kingsbury repeats it every year.

Suuuure... the Cardinals were LOADED with talent last year!

Ummm... i thought this was supposed to be a hit piece on how Kingsburry is "overhyped and not a good coach"?!

Three game were at home... but that obviously wasn't much of a benefit as anyone who was paying attention would know. "Three are in the heat". Yeah, pretty much every team plays in good weather in September and October. And the weather was pretty ****** when the clobbered the Browns.

The whole article was an amateurish hit-piece completely devoid of substance. Plenty of posters here have voiced legitimate questions and doubts about Kingsbury, but that article was complete dreck by utter know-nothings, entirely unworthy of being mentioned here.

...dave
I mean hate how the piece was put together all you want, and pick apart the quotes, but at the end of the day if those are quotes from legit nfl personnel it’s a worthwhile piece to see their perspective alone, unless you’re accusing the author of making up quotes.
 

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