Why do 3 Offensive Line Ratings Sites + Stats Chart have us in the top 15?

[cardinals2025]

2025 Offensive Line Rankings

FTN's Dan Fornek ranks all 32 NFL offensive lines heading into the 2025 season.

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NFL Offensive Line Rankings 2025: Insights Into All 32 OLs | PFSN

Our NFL Offensive Line rankings break down all 32 units using our OL+ metric. Where do the Chiefs and Eagles rank ahead of Super Bowl 59?

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PLUS AN UNOFFICIAL CHART has us 7th

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[cardinals2025]

Cardinals: 15th, 14th, 7th, 7th

Rams: 5th, 17th, 5th, 13th

Seahawks: 30th, 31st, 30th, 31st

49ers: 14th, 11th, 15th, 23rd


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[BACH]

Why?

The very simple answer is because the production on the field merits that ranking.

The slightly more complex answer is that the output of the unit is higher than the sum of the individual parts.

There is only one really good player on the OL in PJJ IMO. Froholdt and Hernandez had really good outputs, because they are great fits for Petzing's gap and pulling scheme. While Froholdt is one of my absolute favorite players on the team, I doubt he would be this good (Pro-bowl considaration level) on the majority of the NFL teams.

 

[cardncubfan]

(sigh)

 

[cardinals2025]

Why?

The very simple answer is because the production on the field merits that ranking.

The slightly more complex answer is that the output of the unit is higher than the sum of the individual parts.

There is only one really good player on the OL in PJJ IMO. Froholdt and Hernandez had really good outputs, because they are great fits for Petzing's gap and pulling scheme. While Froholdt is one of my absolute favorite players on the team, I doubt he would be this good (Pro-bowl considaration level) on the majority of the NFL teams.

Oh but I thought the oline was our biggest remaining issue according to those who take the pessimistic angle on this season. People have been complaining on here for weeks that it not only crumbled late last year but will be worse this season.

So it is just a nitpick because our defense added so much and negative nancys gotta find a new reason why we will fail.

 

[DVontel]

Damn, you have taken over this forum.

 

[BACH]

Oh but I thought the oline was our biggest remaining issue according to those who take the pessimistic angle on this season. People have been complaining on here for weeks that it not only crumbled late last year but will be worse this season.

So it is just a nitpick because our defense added so much and negative nancys gotta find a new reason why we will fail.

It is the biggest concern without a doubt.

Why? Jonah Williams is injured. beachum is a year older. Hernandez is not on the team. Adams didn’t show he was a good NFL starter.

And the is based on status quo. Wouldn’t it be nice to improve

 

[BirdGangThing]

Damn, you have taken over this forum.

it's the off-off-season tho and this place is slower than skattebo

25 is experimenting with content and interaction here - he comes in hot with both while swearing his kool-aid is 100 proof which is funny to us because we know such a drink does not exist but he has a couple few months before we get going

im anticipating some lengthy pre and post game write ups from 25 this season - the feedback he receives now may be crucial to his development - he's already changed in some aspects but i get it - he's hyped about the season and found a place to write about it

 

[oaken1]

it's the off-off-season tho and this place is slower than skattebo

25 is experimenting with content and interaction here - he comes in hot with both while swearing his kool-aid is 100 proof which is funny to us because we know such a drink does not exist but he has a couple few months before we get going

im anticipating some lengthy pre and post game write ups from 25 this season - the feedback he receives now may be crucial to his development - he's already changed in some aspects but i get it - he's hyped about the season and found a place to write about it

most of us are pretty hyped...I see potential for a very exciting season.
Maybe even positive feedback when wearing a jersey in public for a change.

 

[BirdGangThing]

most of us are pretty hyped...I see potential for a very exciting season.
Maybe even positive feedback when wearing a jersey in public for a change.

i just bought a beanie

 

[Mulli]

i just bought a beanie

Cool story

 

[BirdGangThing]

Cool story

i have a idea for a new mulli meme today- i hope you're thirsty

 

[oaken1]

i have a idea for a new mulli meme today- i hope you're thirsty

He's always thirsty

 

[BullheadCardFan]

i just bought a beanie

Wells?

 

[Mulli]

i have a idea for a new mulli meme today- i hope you're thirsty

Memes are illegal

 

[BirdGangThing]

Memes are illegal

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[kerouac9]

i have a idea for a new mulli meme today- i hope you're thirsty

Thirst is literally the only reason he's here.

 

[Mulli]

Thirst is literally the only reason he's here.

Wut

 

[SECTION 11]

I’m not sure that top 15 is very significant. Being barely in the top half is, also, almost in the bottom half.

I think everyone has had their fill of barely and almost.

 

[kerouac9]

To the OP: offensive line play is the hardest to measure objectively. It's five (sometimes six) people working together, along with a QB operating independently (and sometimes an RB also). These ratings are content for the offseason. Are they predictive? Do they mean anything? Maybe, but probably not.

PFF ratings and grades are hokum, and pretty much every NFL player, coach, and front office type will tell you. Block win rates are a bit of a black box, but, really, if Paris Johnson Jr. blocks a DE but a looping stunt from a linebacker results in a pressure or sack, what does it matter?

DVOA used to track "blown blocks" which I liked -- it's a more important and trackable metric.

 

[oaken1]

To the OP: offensive line play is the hardest to measure objectively. It's five (sometimes six) people working together, along with a QB operating independently (and sometimes an RB also). These ratings are content for the offseason. Are they predictive? Do they mean anything? Maybe, but probably not.

PFF ratings and grades are hokum, and pretty much every NFL player, coach, and front office type will tell you. Block win rates are a bit of a black box, but, really, if Paris Johnson Jr. blocks a DE but a looping stunt from a linebacker results in a pressure or sack, what does it matter?

DVOA used to track "blown blocks" which I liked -- it's a more important and trackable metric.

not to mention duration...if PB&J blocks said DE for 4 seconds...but then he gets loose and gets a pressure..is that really on PB&J? or on the QB for holding the ball too long?
I agree with you on the Blown Block metric...when an o lineman absolutely whiffs first contact it looks really bad

 

[cardinals2025]

I’m not sure that top 15 is very significant. Being barely in the top half is, also, almost in the bottom half.

I think everyone has had their fill of barely and almost.

You are right. In the case of Kyler Murray who can run and scramble it doesn't make much of a difference. The only time it does is when it is horrible.

Which is what some people are anticipating and I just don't see our oline being horrible.

 

[cardinals2025]

To the OP: offensive line play is the hardest to measure objectively. It's five (sometimes six) people working together, along with a QB operating independently (and sometimes an RB also). These ratings are content for the offseason. Are they predictive? Do they mean anything? Maybe, but probably not.

PFF ratings and grades are hokum, and pretty much every NFL player, coach, and front office type will tell you. Block win rates are a bit of a black box, but, really, if Paris Johnson Jr. blocks a DE but a looping stunt from a linebacker results in a pressure or sack, what does it matter?

DVOA used to track "blown blocks" which I liked -- it's a more important and trackable metric.

This was the reason why I included 4 different sources...and yet it still didn't seem to matter to you.

 

[cardinals2025]

It is the biggest concern without a doubt.

Why? Jonah Williams is injured. beachum is a year older. Hernandez is not on the team. Adams didn’t show he was a good NFL starter.

And the is based on status quo. Wouldn’t it be nice to improve

Kyler has dealt with worse. The 11-6 year in 2021 was when he was sacked the most in his career. Sure it would be nice to improve. But as long as it isn't horrible, he will be able to make due with it.
Especially when our defense is better. SEA got 10 wins with a horrible oline with a dominant defense. The Rams oline was in shambles for half the year including vs us in week 2. SF had the best oline and look where that gets you without a defense. Not even to a winning record. Not saying it is preferred, but as long as we are ok, there are bigger concerns.

Like our 4th quarter scoring that was last in the league last season, while we were top 5 in the 1st quarter.

Or the fact that our defense was 31st in time of possession.

Unless we suffer a barrage of injuries, the oline is not going to be a reason why we don't win 10 games.

 

[BACH]

Kyler has dealt with worse. The 11-6 year in 2021 was when he was sacked the most in his career. Sure it would be nice to improve. But as long as it isn't horrible, he will be able to make due with it.
Especially when our defense is better. SEA got 10 wins with a horrible oline with a dominant defense. The Rams oline was in shambles for half the year including vs us in week 2. SF had the best oline and look where that gets you without a defense. Not even to a winning record. Not saying it is preferred, but as long as we are ok, there are bigger concerns.

Like our 4th quarter scoring that was last in the league last season, while we were top 5 in the 1st quarter.

Or the fact that our defense was 31st in time of possession.

Unless we suffer a barrage of injuries, the oline is not going to be a reason why we don't win 10 games.

I agree with your take on winning 10 games.

I agree with your point that a better defense will help the offense.

I do not share your take that it isn’t a concern. Go back and look at the 2 Seahawks games and the last Rams game. There you will see our Gs being dominated. If the G positions aren’t being stabilized this team will struggle against good d-Line, be good enough to make to the play-offs, have zero chance against the premier NFC teams.

PJJ is just below pro-bowl and I expect him to take a step forward.
Froholdt is a very good starter just below pro-bowl level.
Williams (if healthy) is an average starter.
Brown should be your weakest starter or in an ideal situation your super interior back-up .

The last spot is big ? Adams showed he fits the scheme, played okay against bad teams, but was really bad in pass protection and against good DTs.