Who is Kyler Murray?

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After reviewing the game it looked to me like unless Murray was in escape mode, he always threw to the receiver the play was initially targeting. I didn’t see him move his head to use progressions nor did I see him deliberately move a safety with his eyes. He setup extremely deep so all passes must have seemed like at least 15 yard throws.
Not surprising. Those are all things that guys who get by on ability don't do.
 

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I’m putting it on Kliff. Kyler is given the ball and told go win it. He appears to be a Qb in a complex offense.
He could get away with it in college on his athleticism. He can’t and shouldn’t be expected to do it in the pros.

Maybe Kyler can’t handle a 5 inch thick playbook. It also appears the rest of the offense can’t either based on pre-snap penalties.

Something has to change.
I mean you can blame Kliff but you are sticking your head in the sand. The main thing Kliff has failed at is getting Kyler to want to do the little things and the extra things. Outside of that, the best argument is that Kyler is making Kliff's offense look worse than it is because outside of off-script plays, he doesn't do anything extra to help the offense. Doesn't audible, doesn't use a bunch of progressions, and doesn't create throwing lanes.
 

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I’m putting it on Kliff. Kyler is given the ball and told go win it. He appears to be a Qb in a complex offense.
He could get away with it in college on his athleticism. He can’t and shouldn’t be expected to do it in the pros.

Maybe Kyler can’t handle a 5 inch thick playbook. It also appears the rest of the offense can’t either based on pre-snap penalties.

Something has to change.
If Kyler can’t handle a big playbook we have even bigger issues then him not wanting to study film.
 

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I mean you can blame Kliff but you are sticking your head in the sand. The main thing Kliff has failed at is getting Kyler to want to do the little things and the extra things. Outside of that, the best argument is that Kyler is making Kliff's offense look worse than it is because outside of off-script plays, he doesn't do anything extra to help the offense. Doesn't audible, doesn't use a bunch of progressions, and doesn't create throwing lanes.
Not sticking my head in the sand. What you are saying is Kliff CANT Get Kyler to do the little things then that falls on him.
I just think it’s like trying to have your home run hitter try to bunt. If Kyler can’t or won’t do the little things then whittle the play book down to 5 plays until he does.
Kyler has the talent to play in this league but he has shown a propensity to not find the right receiver at times. Even when he is successful it seems there is/was a higher pct. throw available for him.
Is it Kyler? Is it Kliff? Is it the play calling. Is it the complexity? Is it the lack of adapting throughout the season and opponent. Probably a little of all the above.
 

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He's too short to be a full-service QB in today's NFL. That's probably why half the snaps are on the ground and the other half are over his head. He's not the guy.
 

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He's too short to be a full-service QB in today's NFL. That's probably why half the snaps are on the ground and the other half are over his head. He's not the guy.
I haven’t seen a single snap go over his head. On the ground and to the right or left of him? All the time. Over his head? Naw.
 

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Even the awful Cardinals of yesteryear had a Center who could snap the ball correctly.

Dammit Keim might even be the worst GM in Cards history
 

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He's too short to be a full-service QB in today's NFL. That's probably why half the snaps are on the ground and the other half are over his head. He's not the guy.
Get that garbage out of here haven’t seen one snap over his head! Just spewing nonsense obviously don’t even watch him play. It would be so Cardinals to scrap this team and QB only to have him go somewhere and torture us for the next decade plus wearing a different uni! Show me all the QBs who were overnight legends I’ll wait….
 

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Not sticking my head in the sand. What you are saying is Kliff CANT Get Kyler to do the little things then that falls on him.
I just think it’s like trying to have your home run hitter try to bunt. If Kyler can’t or won’t do the little things then whittle the play book down to 5 plays until he does.
Kyler has the talent to play in this league but he has shown a propensity to not find the right receiver at times. Even when he is successful it seems there is/was a higher pct. throw available for him.
Is it Kyler? Is it Kliff? Is it the play calling. Is it the complexity? Is it the lack of adapting throughout the season and opponent. Probably a little of all the above.
I mean it is both, but good QBs in the league help their playcaller by getting into the right play. They don't just run the call regardless. Kyler running the play that is called is not bad, but it is also not doing any extra.

Understanding you are protected, holding onto the ball longer, and taking a shot downfield is doing the extra. Understanding you aren't protected, shifting protection and getting to a hot read is doing extra. Kyler doesn't seem to be doing these things.

You say whittle down the playbook but it is not the playbook that is the problem. Kyler knows all of the plays. What he is struggling with is reading the defense pre-snap and then confirming post-snap. This is because he is apparently not doing the extra film study that is required of young QBs to know and understand the defenses in the league and how they are going to attack him.
 

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I would appreciate Kyler not telling the world he doesn't watch a ton of tape.

But these are fair points:

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I would appreciate Kyler not telling the world he doesn't watch a ton of tape.

But these are fair points:

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Yea, it was stupid with Cam just like it’s stupid with him. Just because he isn’t doing a bunch of stupid nonsensical rah-rah BS like Baker Mayfield doesn’t mean he’s not rallying the guys. Unless you’re sitting right behind the bench at the games, nobody knows.
 

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I haven’t seen a single snap go over his head. On the ground and to the right or left of him? All the time. Over his head? Naw.
I've watched every game and there have been a few snaps over his head or high enough where he couldn't handle them. A few were he was not ready for the snap. It's a bad combination to have a 5'9 QB who operates mostly from the gun and centers who can't seem to do a simple task like snapping a ball.
 

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I mean you can blame Kliff but you are sticking your head in the sand. The main thing Kliff has failed at is getting Kyler to want to do the little things and the extra things. Outside of that, the best argument is that Kyler is making Kliff's offense look worse than it is because outside of off-script plays, he doesn't do anything extra to help the offense. Doesn't audible, doesn't use a bunch of progressions, and doesn't create throwing lanes.
Kyler is the real boos. We know this.
 
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