Who are the Suns bringing back next season?

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I guess it depends on who they can get. I would love to bring back Carter, Baynes, Kaminsky, and Saric (in that order of priority). But that is only if they cannot upgrade any of those slots. I do not think upgrading those slots will be very easy. Okobo, Diallo need to go.

Disagree about Diallo. It's hard o find an athletic big man that only gets paid $1,824,003 and averages 4.8 points, 2.9 rebounds with a PER of 16.34. Also Diallo was considered a 23 year old project when the Suns signed him. He is not a bad deep bench player.
 

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Yeah, Diallo as a deep bench player is totally fine. Can help step in with spot minutes during injuries but otherwise relegated to the bench. I also think I'd take Saric over Kaminsky. I don't actually have any good explanation why but my eye test tells me Saric is more versatile offensively and puts more effort in defensively.
 

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If I were going to guess at a move, I wouldn't be surprised to see Aaron Gordon in a Suns uniform. They were reportedly interested at the trade deadline.
Aaron Gordon is indeed interesting: great fit, excellent contract, fills a glaring need, and would look great between Book and Ayton. However, I bet Orlando is asking for the moon for a 14 and 7 guy and we aren't budging. Sadly, I think they are going to let him rot and lose him for nothing in 2 years.

If they aren't willing to budge on Aaron I'd make a secondary push to land Isaac since their PF position is so crowded. I love what he'd bring to this team as well. Either Gordon or Isaac is going to start to get frustrated with their lack of minutes at PF. We should take advantage of this.

As to Cheick, he outplayed his contract in spite of his scarce minutes. I was very impressed with him. He has good potential as the backup PF/C. His contract should be peanuts again. I see no reason to let him walk.
 

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I would think the Brass realizes that the team they assembled never took the court healthy. I'm not going to implode if all they add is a draft pick. They where fun to watch for once
 

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I would think the Brass realizes that the team they assembled never took the court healthy. I'm not going to implode if all they add is a draft pick. They where fun to watch for once

For about two or three weeks, and then they reverted back to the form of the previous 4-5 years. They absolutely need to add an NBA caliber starting forward, back-up power forward (assuming Saric won't accept an MLE type deal to be it), back-up shooting guard who can be a scoring spark off the bench, back-up center (assuming Baynes is gone, which I am all but sure he is, and recognizing that Diallo is best suited to be a #3 center or power forward alongside a stretch 4 or 5), and a point guard of the future (recognizing that Carter is best suited to be a #3 point guard who is primarily a defensive specialist).

Okobo needs to be gone. He looks worse and worse with each passing game and even struggles in the G League. His game is clearly better suited to Europe than the U.S. Jerome looks way too slow and unathletic to play in the NBA, especially defensively. Kaminsky also can't defend at the NBA level (or rebound at the NBA level, either) and is way too streaky offensively. Cam Johnson looks like a #3 small forward at best. And Lecque is at least 2-3 years away from being NBA ready, if he ever gets to that point.

Long term, the only real pieces we have in place, assuming none of them demands a trade out of frustration, are Booker, Ayton and Bridges, and MAYBE Oubre, if we can convince him to re-up after next season.

In my opinion, this only further illustrates how ineffective James Jones has been in building up a roster for long term success.
 

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Disagree about Diallo. It's hard o find an athletic big man that only gets paid $1,824,003 and averages 4.8 points, 2.9 rebounds with a PER of 16.34. Also Diallo was considered a 23 year old project when the Suns signed him. He is not a bad deep bench player.

I don't think it's that hard to find a Diallo type. We did it late in free agency last summer and the year before the Suns were able to bring in Holmes late also, for essentially nothing. I'd prefer Jonah Boldin to Diallo or kicking the tires on Ray Spalding again. Diallo is probably the least impressive big the Suns have had in the last few years and if he thinks he deserves anymore than the league minimum or a spot in the rotation then they should let him walk.

He is relatively young but this was his 4th year in the league. New Orleans gave up on him for a reason. He has potential but is far from consistent and doesn't regularly do anything well, which makes him a fringe rotation player at best, IMO. To be a rotation player, a player needs to be able to provide something regularly. Whether that is rim protection, strong defense, good instincts on the glass, an automatic midrange shot, something.

Diallo plays hard but playing hard hurts him as much as helps, based on what I saw last year. It's tough to think of specific examples because it's been so long since we've seen him but he would end up out of place on defense or too far from the basket on offense to where the defense could ignore him entirely. He also has bad hands, not Len bad but they weren't good. Compare him to Carter, both play all out but Carter didn't make at least 1 or 2 plays a game where you wondered why he was on the court.
 

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Aaron Gordon is indeed interesting: great fit, excellent contract, fills a glaring need, and would look great between Book and Ayton. However, I bet Orlando is asking for the moon for a 14 and 7 guy and we aren't budging. Sadly, I think they are going to let him rot and lose him for nothing in 2 years.

If they aren't willing to budge on Aaron I'd make a secondary push to land Isaac since their PF position is so crowded. I love what he'd bring to this team as well. Either Gordon or Isaac is going to start to get frustrated with their lack of minutes at PF. We should take advantage of this.

As to Cheick, he outplayed his contract in spite of his scarce minutes. I was very impressed with him. He has good potential as the backup PF/C. His contract should be peanuts again. I see no reason to let him walk.

I think you are right Orlando was asking for the moon on Gordon at the trade deadline. Maybe they will lessen their demands this summer. I've always thought they would want to keep Isaac. I like him as well.

As far as Diallo, it's hard to find a big man that can give a team minutes at his salary. If the Suns can find another Richaun Holmes for a million, bring him in too. That was a steal. The Suns will likely need to add a few players this summer and they will have room.
 

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I don't think it's that hard to find a Diallo type. We did it late in free agency last summer and the year before the Suns were able to bring in Holmes late also, for essentially nothing. I'd prefer Jonah Boldin to Diallo or kicking the tires on Ray Spalding again. Diallo is probably the least impressive big the Suns have had in the last few years and if he thinks he deserves anymore than the league minimum or a spot in the rotation then they should let him walk.

He is relatively young but this was his 4th year in the league. New Orleans gave up on him for a reason. He has potential but is far from consistent and doesn't regularly do anything well, which makes him a fringe rotation player at best, IMO. To be a rotation player, a player needs to be able to provide something regularly. Whether that is rim protection, strong defense, good instincts on the glass, an automatic midrange shot, something.

Diallo plays hard but playing hard hurts him as much as helps, based on what I saw last year. It's tough to think of specific examples because it's been so long since we've seen him but he would end up out of place on defense or too far from the basket on offense to where the defense could ignore him entirely. He also has bad hands, not Len bad but they weren't good. Compare him to Carter, both play all out but Carter didn't make at least 1 or 2 plays a game where you wondered why he was on the court.


I'm thinking Diallo will be at the league minimum next season or close to it. The Suns already brought in Boldin and let him go after one 10 day contract. Ray Spalding didn't show me much when he was here. The Suns already have Diallo on a very reasonable contract. I can't see them letting him go unless they absolutely need to spend the $1,824,003 somewhere else. The Suns had a lot of disappointments this season but I never considered Diallo one of them. He is still young and learning the game.
 

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I would think the Brass realizes that the team they assembled never took the court healthy. I'm not going to implode if all they add is a draft pick. They where fun to watch for once
The ability to stay healthy is just as important as skill.

The Suns are not going to take the next step . . . until they take the next step.

The status quo has got to go! :)
 

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I know you hate Cam, but he is going to be a long term piece.

Not a chance. Ed Pinckney part deux. (And while Brandon Clarke likely won't end up being Karl Malone, passing on Clarke in 2019 was still almost as bad as passing on Malone for Pinckney in 1985, and certainly as bad as passing on A.C. Green for Pinckney in 1985.)
 

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I like Saric as a player but he doesn't fit well with our team. We need some more length and athleticism at the forward spot. Keep Carter and Diallo. Baynes is so up and down, and unreliable from any perspective, the injuries and production when healthy, not to mention all the dumb fouls he picks up.

Okobo sucks.

Kaminsky is a worse version of Saric, we dont' need redundancy.
 

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For about two or three weeks, and then they reverted back to the form of the previous 4-5 years. They absolutely need to add an NBA caliber starting forward, back-up power forward (assuming Saric won't accept an MLE type deal to be it), back-up shooting guard who can be a scoring spark off the bench, back-up center (assuming Baynes is gone, which I am all but sure he is, and recognizing that Diallo is best suited to be a #3 center or power forward alongside a stretch 4 or 5), and a point guard of the future (recognizing that Carter is best suited to be a #3 point guard who is primarily a defensive specialist).

Okobo needs to be gone. He looks worse and worse with each passing game and even struggles in the G League. His game is clearly better suited to Europe than the U.S. Jerome looks way too slow and unathletic to play in the NBA, especially defensively. Kaminsky also can't defend at the NBA level (or rebound at the NBA level, either) and is way too streaky offensively. Cam Johnson looks like a #3 small forward at best. And Lecque is at least 2-3 years away from being NBA ready, if he ever gets to that point.

Long term, the only real pieces we have in place, assuming none of them demands a trade out of frustration, are Booker, Ayton and Bridges, and MAYBE Oubre, if we can convince him to re-up after next season.

In my opinion, this only further illustrates how ineffective James Jones has been in building up a roster for long term success.

wow
 

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I like Saric as a player but he doesn't fit well with our team. We need some more length and athleticism at the forward spot. Keep Carter and Diallo. Baynes is so up and down, and unreliable from any perspective, the injuries and production when healthy, not to mention all the dumb fouls he picks up.

Okobo sucks.

Kaminsky is a worse version of Saric, we dont' need redundancy.

wow
 
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