Who are the Cardinals going to take at #8?

[cardncubfan]

Haha, no.

Got it. It looked like Finito was asking you why weren't you better. I need more caffeine.

 

[Stout]

I voted Lamb, but only because I don't think Simmons will be available.

 

[cardsunsfan]

I voted Lamb, but only because I don't think Simmons will be available.

Me too, if Simmons were available I think he would be the pick. If some of these valuations could be trusted where some show Wills having a higher rating than Lamb, I would pick Wills and I would hope the Cardinals would too.

It was interesting listening to Cowherd today though... He said a receivers development has a lot to do with where he lands. His example was Joe Thomas on the Saints.. Urban Meyer said he was fairly lazy and would have never thought he could be so good... They also say it is important if the QB and receiver have really good chemistry..which I guess would be true of Lamb..if it were a wide receiver that we took I think that should be the only choice of the big three and the only excuse to take one...If Lamb were gone for some crazy reason as well as Simmons..it better be Ukudah, Brown, or one of the OT's...

 

[CardinalCovfefe]

I voted Okudah, but the caveat is whether he's there.

I just cannot see WR at all. Especially Lamb. 3 picks last year, our 2nd gone for DH and now the GM lets the tail wag the dog and takes Lamb? I don't see it.

*Keim's tongue hanging out* "Thanks for telling us who to pick Kyler!"

 

[cardsunsfan]

I voted Okudah, but the caveat is whether he's there.

I just cannot see WR at all. Especially Lamb. 3 picks last year, our 2nd gone for DH and now the GM lets the tail wag the dog and takes Lamb? I don't see it.

*Keim's tongue hanging out* "Thanks for telling us who to pick Kyler!"

I was trying to make the poll of best odds of who the Cardinals would take. I'd take Chase Young if we could have anyone. I think there is less than a 10% chance Okudah would be there. I would strongly lean towards Wills being my pick but I am guessing that the Cardinals will be enamored with Lamb..

 

[CardinalCovfefe]

I was trying to make the poll of best odds of who the Cardinals would take. I'd take Chase Young if we could have anyone. I think there is less than a 10% chance Okudah would be there. I would strongly lean towards Wills being my pick but I am guessing that the Cardinals will be enamored with Lamb..

Something tells me after trading for DH Keim thinks he is now Superman and will trade down if Okudah, Brown, or Simmons are gone. Not even sure he would take ILB with a #8, but Simmons would be a great addition for the team IMO. If he can't trade down I think your pick of Wills is quite likely. Possibly Wirfs though. They could put him in Sweezy's spot and eliminate his contract and move Wirfs to RT after a year of seasoning.

 

[mjb21aztd]

I would love simmons but i think he will be gone by 8

I sai wils will be the pick and very slight chance of lamb

Wouldn't be angry at lamb pick but good fa are always avliable


Just like lamb cause of connection to Murray

 

[Zeno]

The Cardinals could go any direction, any of the generally considered top 10-12 guys outside of QB are probably in play. I have no idea what they do, if they pick WR all that tells me is they think he was most worthy of the pick, if they go OL, DL, LB, CB that tells me that player was rated higher than WR on their board. Honestly none of has a freaking clue what they will do.

I don’t have a strong opinion either way, I guess Brown doesn’t excite me but I could fully understand if he is the pick.

 

[Vacard]

Trade down should be an option...we have Hop so there’s no need for Lamb especially at the 8th.....if anything trade down and draft Ruggs if u gotta go wr.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Trade down should be an option...we have Hop so there’s no need for Lamb especially at the 8th.....if anything trade down and draft Ruggs if u gotta go wr.

For me this is the opposite of why a lot of us want Lamb over the OTs. If it's about the most immediate need and something we "gotta" do than OT probably makes more sense as we don't have a long term answer at that position. However if it is simply about taking the best player while also getting someone that could make an immediate impact and a long term impact than for me that is Lamb over the OTs.

 

[Solar7]

For me this is the opposite of why a lot of us want Lamb over the OTs. If it's about the most immediate need and something we "gotta" do than OT probably makes more sense as we don't have a long term answer at that position. However if it is simply about taking the best player while also getting someone that could make an immediate impact and a long term impact than for me that is Lamb over the OTs.

I think for the rest of us it's about reading the tea leaves into the future. Finding a Fitz replacement to get 800 yards a year is gonna be a lot easier than replacing half or more of our offensive line in a year. Looking at free agency, it's awful. If you're afraid of starting a rookie OT in front of Kyler this year, it's going to be even scarier next year, when our optimal Super Bowl window should be open.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I think for the rest of us it's about reading the tea leaves into the future. Finding a Fitz replacement to get 800 yards a year is gonna be a lot easier than replacing half or more of our offensive line in a year. Looking at free agency, it's awful. If you're afraid of starting a rookie OT in front of Kyler this year, it's going to be even scarier next year, when our optimal Super Bowl window should be open.

How hard is it realistically to find someone next off season that can at least be solid on the right side? Also sure you could find someone to give you 800 yards a year, but Lamb has a lot of potential to provide much more than that. Hopkins and Lamb could realistically each have well over 1000 yards and near 10 or more TDs each as well. There is a very real chance that they are a Fitz/Boldin type duo that completely torches the opposition. And mind you that offense played with a much worse O-Line than we currently have.

 

[Solar7]

How hard is it realistically to find someone next off season that can at least be solid on the right side? Also sure you could find someone to give you 800 yards a year, but Lamb has a lot of potential to provide much more than that. Hopkins and Lamb could realistically each have well over 1000 yards and near 10 or more TDs each as well. There is a very real chance that they are a Fitz/Boldin type duo that completely torches the opposition. And mind you that offense played with a much worse O-Line than we currently have.

If it's so easy, why haven't we been able to do it in the past? Does any of this list excite you? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/2021/all/offensive-line/

To the point about Lamb's potential production - what NFL teams are getting into the playoffs/Super Bowl with 1,000+, 10 TD WRs right now? Did the Buccaneers make the playoffs? Also, why are we pretending that only 1st round WRs are capable of this? The evidence is showing, time and time again in the past half a decade, that top WRs are found later on.

And this is all completely disregarding the potential we already have in our own WR room. Kirk's been hurt, but he's about on par with what Chris Godwin was. We have three young guys who could absolutely develop into a very strong WR corps. As I've said, we have a top five room right about now. We can solve the #2 issue much easier.

 

[Vacard]

For me this is the opposite of why a lot of us want Lamb over the OTs. If it's about the most immediate need and something we "gotta" do than OT probably makes more sense as we don't have a long term answer at that position. However if it is simply about taking the best player while also getting someone that could make an immediate impact and a long term impact than for me that is Lamb over the OTs.

And Ruggs won’t be able to do that? All three, Lamb, Ho, and Larry now are possession receivers...Hop can go deep though but isn’t a burner...if we have to draft a receiver than trade down and get Ruggs...but ONLY if Brown or a top tier OT isn’t available like Thomas. Hell I still like Becton over any of the receivers if we stay put.

 

[Card'em]

Also have a feeling that the pick is going to be Ruggs after a trade down. Lamb's play is similar to Hopkins(not saying Lamb is anywhere near as good as Hopkins), where Ruggs' speed offers the offense a whole new dimension.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

If it's so easy, why haven't we been able to do it in the past? Does any of this list excite you? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/2021/all/offensive-line/

To the point about Lamb's potential production - what NFL teams are getting into the playoffs/Super Bowl with 1,000+, 10 TD WRs right now? Did the Buccaneers make the playoffs? Also, why are we pretending that only 1st round WRs are capable of this? The evidence is showing, time and time again in the past half a decade, that top WRs are found later on.

And this is all completely disregarding the potential we already have in our own WR room. Kirk's been hurt, but he's about on par with what Chris Godwin was. We have three young guys who could absolutely develop into a very strong WR corps. As I've said, we have a top five room right about now. We can solve the #2 issue much easier.

I'm not pretending anything, but while we are on that subject why are you pretending that we are just as likely to find that kind of WR outside of the first round?

As to Tampa and their two top WRs, do you not believe that if they had a QB that didn't turn the ball over like 40 times and an even marginally better defense they wouldn't be in the playoffs and dangerous once they got there? Suppose we will likely find out with Brady this season.

For the topic of finding RTs I would say that just like any other position the higher you are drafting them or the more money you are paying for them in FA the more likely you are to find a good one. That brings us to this years crop and I am just not sold that any of them are going to be top flight RTs at the NFL level.

Lastly I am not sold at all on the potential of our WR room. Isabella is fast and I believe he has a future in limited roles, but I am not sold on anything outside of that, Butler is a huge ?, but he was also disappointing in TC before he got injured, KJ is nothing more than a future 4-5th string guy and Kirk hasn't shown that he can stay healthy or be a consistent threat when he is healthy.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

And Ruggs won’t be able to do that? All three, Lamb, Ho, and Larry now are possession receivers...Hop can go deep though but isn’t a burner...if we have to draft a receiver than trade down and get Ruggs...but ONLY if Brown or a top tier OT isn’t available like Thomas. Hell I still like Becton over any of the receivers if we stay put.

I would argue that the ability to go up and snatch the ball out of the air is more important than pure speed when talking deep threats. You can not afford to single cover any of those 3 guys deep down the field because all 3 will win most jump ball type situations. Lamb is also extremely talented after the catch as he has very good footwork to elude tacklers and is tough to bring down even when you get a hand on him. He is simply a much more complete WR prospect than Ruggs and if I am taking one of them in the first round it's going to be the more complete one. That being said this argument is mostly about WR vs RT and thus taking Ruggs does pretty much nothing to change the current argument.

 

[Solar7]

I'm not pretending anything, but while we are on that subject why are you pretending that we are just as likely to find that kind of WR outside of the first round?

I don't think we need to worry about more receivers right now. Frankly, I think Kyler Murray should be able to turn some non-optimal guys into top receivers, since that's what we're sold on with a #1 overall QB. In no way is this me questioning Kyler, by the way, but he has more assets than most QBs.

As to Tampa and their two top WRs, do you not believe that if they had a QB that didn't turn the ball over like 40 times and an even marginally better defense they wouldn't be in the playoffs and dangerous once they got there? Suppose we will likely find out with Brady this season.

I don't know if those guys are putting up the same stats without someone like Winston putting the ball up deep as often as he did. He did this with Humphries and Jackson too. That guy can sling it, I doubt we'll see the same numbers with TB12.

For the topic of finding RTs I would say that just like any other position the higher you are drafting them or the more money you are paying for them in FA the more likely you are to find a good one. That brings us to this years crop and I am just not sold that any of them are going to be top flight RTs at the NFL level.

I've gotta ask, what backs this up? Are you just worried no one is the next Joe Thomas or whatever? No one is going to be, ever again. We have to make due with what projects out as best possible. The world of surefire OTs is completely over because of how college runs their game.

Lastly I am not sold at all on the potential of our WR room. Isabella is fast and I believe he has a future in limited roles, but I am not sold on anything outside of that, Butler is a huge ?, but he was also disappointing in TC before he got injured, KJ is nothing more than a future 4-5th string guy and Kirk hasn't shown that he can stay healthy or be a consistent threat when he is healthy.

I don't love any of these guys either. I think Lamb is more exciting than all of them, and before Hopkins, we'd have agreed. But none of us could have fathomed even signing Amari Cooper, much less a top-three WR. Now we have an embarrassment of riches where we all were talking about adding such names as Breshad Perriman or something to get an outside threat.

Now we can definitely afford to give the young guys a chance to develop.

 

[WildBB]

Wills/Wirfs ~ Brown/Kinlaw.
Likely one of these guys, but not sure who.

Becton could be in mix with his mix of power and length. But Wills is the better technician, and can get after it in the run game too.

If they trade down with Denver @15 then whoever is left from above with Thomas, Chaisson, CJ Henderson and any one of the WR's are all in play there.

Chiasson would be 3rd down specialist 1st year. And excellent depth if Dennard or God forbid Chandler should go down for any time.

Anyway did a simulation for Cardinals at pick #8. Went heavier OL as most of impactful DL were gone by 3rd....hmmm.

R1P8
OT JEDRICK WILLS JR.
ALABAMA

2: R3P8
G JONAH JACKSON
OHIO ST.

3: R4P8
LB ALEX HIGHSMITH
CHARLOTTE

4: R4P25
TE ADAM TRAUTMAN
DAYTON

5: R6P23
RB KE'SHAWN VAUGHN
VANDERBILT

6: R7P8
OT SCOTT FRANTZ
KANSAS ST.
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[Timm Rosenbach]

My reservation at Aria was cancelled today by MGM. Hopefully the picks go quick without all of the fan fair and ESPN-created marketing. Draft the Best player available and don’t look back.

 

[AZCrazy]

Lamb and Jeudy are intriguing and desirable players, but I can't see it.
We spent a 2nd two years ago on a WR, spent three picks including a 2nd last year on WR's, and already gave up this year's 2nd round pick on a WR. You want to blow another 1st too?? How many wideouts can you take while ignoring the rest of the team's needs in the early rounds?

Top two rounds of draft picks in recent years:

2017 1) Haason Reddick
2) Budda Baker

2018 1) Josh Rosen
2) Christian Kirk

2019 1) Kyler Murray
2) Byron Murphy
2) Andy Isabella

2020 1)
2) Deandre Hopkins for the pick


Get some BIGS in here. That's where the game is won.

 

[Stout]

My reservation at Aria was cancelled today by MGM. Hopefully the picks go quick without all of the fan fair and ESPN-created marketing. Draft the Best player available and don’t look back.

Yeah, no more of this pick has been in but they delay the announcement 15 minutes because they have a freaking backlog of photo ops and videos and crap.