What would an ILB Breakout Season even Look Like in Vance's Defense?

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So... based on the "Breakout player" Thread, I was trying to build a range of what a breakout season could look like for Zaven Collins or Simmons. I started looking at the ILB production for Vance's past defenses:

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I was hoping to see the opportunity for some Devin White-style breakout, but I don't think that's how Joseph's defense is designed to work. Total waste of talent (maybe).
 

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2008 Karlos Dansby. 2 ints, 4 sacks, 119 tackles

I think Simmons can hit those figures.

On one of the Cardinal videos or podcasts, they noted that Isiah produced big plays, but also had some terrible ones -- it was about eliminating the terrible ones
 
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So... based on the "Breakout player" Thread, I was trying to build a range of what a breakout season could look like for Zaven Collins or Simmons. I started looking at the ILB production for Vance's past defenses:

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I was hoping to see the opportunity for some Devin White-style breakout, but I don't think that's how Joseph's defense is designed to work. Total waste of talent (maybe).
I agree that Vance as never had an ILB who was an active playmaker. The numbers are 100 tackles, 4 picks and 6 sacks but as you pointed out, no ILB under Vance has come close to that in a single season. Best example is if you put 2019 Jordan Hicks with his 3 ints and 93 solo tackles with 2021 Jordan Hicks's 4 sacks.
 
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My point is that Joseph's defense seems to highlight the outside players and not the interior. Von Miller, Chandler Jones, Budda Baker, Hasson Reddick, etc.

Structurally we're created a personnel emphasis that's fundamentally different from the structure of the defense.
 

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My point is that Joseph's defense seems to highlight the outside players and not the interior. Von Miller, Chandler Jones, Budda Baker, Hasson Reddick, etc.

Structurally we're created a personnel emphasis that's fundamentally different from the structure of the defense.
Agree that Keim has little clue how to give Vance the players Vance wants or needs, at least early in the draft. This season should make it clear if Vance can use drafted players as Jalen Thompson, Wilson, Murphy, Allen, and Simmons should all have large roles this year. No idea about Collins as his play is predicated on being able to call the defense which is up in the air.
 

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You wouldn't see many large gains running the ball because players including ILBs are filling the correct gaps. You'd see more passes defended in coverage and a few sacks but not many.
 

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Agree that Keim has little clue how to give Vance the players Vance wants or needs, at least early in the draft.
this might be the biggest indictment of Keim's competency

Keim picked Vance. And if Keim cant agree with Vance on the positions that need 1st or 2nd round athletes and the ones where later day picks, inexpensive free agents can work -- ugh
 

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this might be the biggest indictment of Keim's competency

Keim picked Vance. And if Keim cant agree with Vance on the positions that need 1st or 2nd round athletes and the ones where later day picks, inexpensive free agents can work -- ugh
Depending on how Josh Jones and Rondale Moore turn out, it may not be limited to the offense.

Keim has completely failed to be able to draft even functional WRs for Kliff's offense. Same with the offensive line to date even if it is only Josh Jones.

Basically, the only positional grouping where Keim has it figured out is in the secondary where he has drafted all four starters and all after round 1. Murphy - 2nd. Jalen supp 3rd. Wilson 4th. Budda was pre-Vance but I will count it to be nice.
 

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