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I think a question that must be asked at this point:
Would you trade Matt Leinhart for Phillip Rivers?
Would you trade Matt Leinhart for Phillip Rivers?
jkf296 said:i had a feeling you'd be popping your head here and saying something like that.
Would I shove a glass rod into my urethra and break it?swd1974 said:I think a question that must be asked at this point:
Would you trade Matt Leinhart for Phillip Rivers?
You are one weird dude.earthsci said:Would I shove a glass rod into my urethra and break it?
I resemble that remark. Thank you very little.Pariah said:You are one weird dude.
swd1974 said:I think a question that must be asked at this point:
Would you trade Matt Leinhart for Phillip Rivers?
swd1974 said:I think a question that must be asked at this point:
Would you trade Matt Leinhart for Phillip Rivers?
By this reasoning, we'd trade the pick and then earn the #1.Arizona's Finest said:Anything good like the number one pick would not happen to the Cardinals, at least not when there is a franchise player available....
Buckybird said:If you're going to trade a #1, #2, BJ and Pace to the Chargers for Rivers why
trade the same package for the #1 overall pick and take Leinhart. If I'm not
mistaken the G-men gave up less to acquire Manning. Leinhart (barring injury)
is a can't miss QB and will probably be the "great QB". But that is my opinion.
Buckybird said:next "great QB"
vince56 said:Like Couch, Carr, and Harrington?
swd1974 said:Here is a thought.
8 playoff years out of 9, or is it out of 10? Green made it to the playoffs with a different QB each year.
vince56 said:Like Couch, Carr, and Harrington?
Russ Smith said:FYI ESPN says AJ Smith stated emphatically today that Rivers is not available and rumors he was going to the Jets for Vilma and picks.
Maybe we trade the Jets Mcown for Vilma?
Thats not what he said in this article. [font=verdana,arial,helvetica]Russ Smith said:FYI ESPN says AJ Smith stated emphatically today that Rivers is not available and rumors he was going to the Jets for Vilma and picks.
Maybe we trade the Jets Mcown for Vilma?
Would Smith trade Rivers now? "If I would get a phone call, then I would make a determination," he said.
Arizona's Finest said:Now listen, I am all about getting the number one pick and drafting Matt Lienert. The reason we never have any success is because we don’t have an upper echelon QB. Now a team with no weapons and a bad line might make a good QB look bad, but the one consistent this team has never had is a franchise QB. Like a center in basketball, Franchise QB’s are pretty rare but when you happen upon one, things seem to immediately come together and thusly the most important position in football is covered for ten years.
Its much easier to build a team with a big time QB in place, than to keep band aiding the problem and trying to have your strengths come from else where. Tampa Bay is a good example of a team that if they had that franchise QB, they would have never gone into the three year downward spiral that they are only now getting out of. The defense and running game they had would have been playoff worthy, had they had the proper QB to run Grudens system. Conversely once Griese’s pact with the devil expires (likely next season) they will go back to mediocrity, even with Caddilac.
Ok so this is my point here. This team needs to take the steps necessary to get who ever they have evaluated to be the best prospect at that position. Knowing the Cardinals they will screw something up and we will somehow have to endure this season and STILL fall short of getting the first pick. So they need to take their destiny into their own hands and surprisingly there is a Franchise QB to be had…..
Phillip Rivers has most everything you want in a QB. Word is San Diego would have drafted him over Eli because they liked his arm and leadership qualities that much. Even in current story about Rivers on espn.com, you get the feeling this kid is just chomping at the bit and with his skills that is a very nice combination.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=smith_michael&id=2172056
Now that it looks like Warner is out for a while the team must start looking forward to making a run next year. Unfortunatly even with a stud like Matt Lienert, there is likely to be a learning curve that will keep us out of the playoffs yet again next year. So here is what the Cardinals need to do. Assuming they feel the same way about Rivers that most everybody does, they need to make a pre-emptive strike and overwhelm the Chargers with an offer to get him out here. I’m thinking Bryant Johnson, Calvin Pace and a 2007 first round draft pick and a 2006 second rounder would be enough where SD could justify it to their fans, while also improving this years playoff chances. No matter what you think of BJ, he is the second receiver on that team and Pace, while disappointing is an upgrade at defensive end for them as well.
So the Cardinals have Phillip Rivers for like 13 more games, giving him a year to learn Denny’s offense and acquire a rapport with Fitz and Boldin. It gives Denny time (because we are basically starting a back up QB) and I believe Rivers at the helm will be an upgrade over every QB we have had since moving to AZ. Then we have the luxury of spending our 1st pick on a player like Ferguson or Bush and immediately we have a playoff mix brewing. Add a MLB (not signing Hartwell was a HUGE mistake), some more offensive line help, and depending on which of the above two we draft, addressing that concern. Denny will have no excuses with that squad going into a new stadium and if he doesn’t get it done NEXT year then we bring in someone who can.
The key to this offseason lies in getting a QB for the present and future, or otherwise I feel we will be re hashing this scenario for the upcoming seasons until we do……
Thoughts????
Pariah said:I wholeheartedly agree with this statement, but I wholeheartedly disagree with what some people (not necissarily you, WC) use it for.
I've read too many times on this board that we shouldn't draft a QB high or spend big money on a FA QB because our line sucks. We need a young(ish) QB that can grow with this young team. Yes, we need to improve the line but that needs to be done concurrently with finding a decent QB. (and this is not to say that I'm a Warner-hater. We need him, too--he's been playing okay this year for us).
This is going to be my mantra until it's taken care of: "Stop F'ing Around With the QB Position."
Buckybird said:If you're going to trade a #1, #2, BJ and Pace to the Chargers for Rivers why
trade the same package for the #1 overall pick and take Leinhart. If I'm not
mistaken the G-men gave up less to acquire Manning. Leinhart (barring injury)
is a can't miss QB and will probably be the "great QB". But that is my opinion.
Arizona's Finest said:Now listen, I am all about getting the number one pick and drafting Matt Lienert. The reason we never have any success is because we don’t have an upper echelon QB. Now a team with no weapons and a bad line might make a good QB look bad, but the one consistent this team has never had is a franchise QB. Like a center in basketball, Franchise QB’s are pretty rare but when you happen upon one, things seem to immediately come together and thusly the most important position in football is covered for ten years.
Its much easier to build a team with a big time QB in place, than to keep band aiding the problem and trying to have your strengths come from else where. Tampa Bay is a good example of a team that if they had that franchise QB, they would have never gone into the three year downward spiral that they are only now getting out of. The defense and running game they had would have been playoff worthy, had they had the proper QB to run Grudens system. Conversely once Griese’s pact with the devil expires (likely next season) they will go back to mediocrity, even with Caddilac.
Ok so this is my point here. This team needs to take the steps necessary to get who ever they have evaluated to be the best prospect at that position. Knowing the Cardinals they will screw something up and we will somehow have to endure this season and STILL fall short of getting the first pick. So they need to take their destiny into their own hands and surprisingly there is a Franchise QB to be had…..
Phillip Rivers has most everything you want in a QB. Word is San Diego would have drafted him over Eli because they liked his arm and leadership qualities that much. Even in current story about Rivers on espn.com, you get the feeling this kid is just chomping at the bit and with his skills that is a very nice combination.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=smith_michael&id=2172056
Now that it looks like Warner is out for a while the team must start looking forward to making a run next year. Unfortunatly even with a stud like Matt Lienert, there is likely to be a learning curve that will keep us out of the playoffs yet again next year. So here is what the Cardinals need to do. Assuming they feel the same way about Rivers that most everybody does, they need to make a pre-emptive strike and overwhelm the Chargers with an offer to get him out here. I’m thinking Bryant Johnson, Calvin Pace and a 2007 first round draft pick and a 2006 second rounder would be enough where SD could justify it to their fans, while also improving this years playoff chances. No matter what you think of BJ, he is the second receiver on that team and Pace, while disappointing is an upgrade at defensive end for them as well.
So the Cardinals have Phillip Rivers for like 13 more games, giving him a year to learn Denny’s offense and acquire a rapport with Fitz and Boldin. It gives Denny time (because we are basically starting a back up QB) and I believe Rivers at the helm will be an upgrade over every QB we have had since moving to AZ. Then we have the luxury of spending our 1st pick on a player like Ferguson or Bush and immediately we have a playoff mix brewing. Add a MLB (not signing Hartwell was a HUGE mistake), some more offensive line help, and depending on which of the above two we draft, addressing that concern. Denny will have no excuses with that squad going into a new stadium and if he doesn’t get it done NEXT year then we bring in someone who can.
The key to this offseason lies in getting a QB for the present and future, or otherwise I feel we will be re hashing this scenario for the upcoming seasons until we do……
Thoughts????
joeshmo said:A couple of things that will spoil your idea. It wont happen during this season, maybe in the offseason but not during the season.
1. SD doesnt have the cap space right now to absorb the rest of Rivers signing bonus. They will in the offseason though.
2. What happens if Brees goes down. They are stuck in the mud without a backup. They are not trading Rivers right now.
3. Brees is a FA after this season. They trade Rivers now they may end up without Brees or Rivers next year. They can tag Brees again to make sure but I doubt they want to tie up 10 mill of their cap space in doing so.
john h said:The Chargers just traded for a QB so?????????