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http://eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=4123

Fisher ready to start at left-side linebacker
By Darren Urban, Tribune


The Cardinals bolstered their linebacking corps this offseason, signing free-agent James Darling and drafting Gerald Hayes and Tony Gilbert.
But the key man at the position is a guy who was already here.

Levar Fisher, the team’s second-round draft pick in 2002, was supposed to make a push to start as a rookie last season. But a right knee injury kept him out of nine games, and he was forced to have two separate surgeries along the way.

“It was the worst feeling ever,” Fisher said. “It was probably the most I have ever cried in my life. That hurt.”

Fisher added about 13 pounds of muscle since last season as he tries to take over as the left-side starter for the departed Rob Fredrickson. He said he wants to be stronger so that any injury that might occur will heal faster.

Right now, Fisher has experienced some normal swelling on the knee, expected in his first real on-field work since shutting down in early December.

“He seems to be healthy to me know, but he has to hold up,” coach Dave McGinnis said. “He’s got flash quickness, and he is a missile to the football. He’s a guy we need on the field.”

The Cards have put Darling inside for now, working as Ron McKinnon’s backup. Hayes is practicing as a backup outside man. Fisher, though, is finally the starter. And he plans to stay there.

“The only way I lose this is because of injuries,” Fisher said. “They drafted me for the job. I am staying there.”

SMALL-SCHOOL STUD
There has not been an NFL player from the tiny Pennsylvania school of Clarion since 1954. There hasn’t even been a NFL training camp body from Clarion since 1985.

“It’s been a while,” said offensive tackle Reggie Wells, the Cards’ sixth-round pick from Clarion. “The whole atmosphere is different,” Wells said. “From the first-class treatment....I’m not saying Clarion was second-rate or anything, but I’m sure they don’t have the money as these guys have seen from the bigger schools. So the whole experience has been different.”

Wells, though, doesn’t think he’s any further behind the learning curve just because of his small-school roots.

“Maybe technique-wise,” Wells said, “but I have different stuff to bring to the table.”

EXTRA POINTS
The Cardinals may still look for a veteran cornerback if one of worth is cut later in the offseason, McGinnis said. “You can never have too many of those guys,” he added.

McGinnis said that 51 of the Cards’ 61 non-rookies on the roster have taken part in the voluntary workouts so far this offseason.

Receiver Jason McAddley, joking about Jerry Sullivan’s move from receivers coach to offensive coordinator: “That sarcasm and stuff he liked to put on the receivers last year now goes to everybody. Last year, guys were like, ‘Why is your coach messing with you so much?’ Now I can go back to them when he says something about them. Everybody gets a little now.”
 
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you heard it here first! I reported yesterday fisher was running with the starting lb group:wave:

I assumed he would be if he was healthy..no big surprise here.. darling could make a run at a starting job - but he historically has been a backup and special teams guy - I do not think he was brought in to start - but to compete for one, provide depth and play special teams. Gilbert and hayes are rookies..and probably no rookie is going to run with the starting unit a week after they were drafted...I hope fisher holds up
 

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Originally posted by az643dp
[B“The only way I lose this is because of injuries,” Fisher said. “They drafted me for the job. I am staying there.”

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Gotta love that quote! This guy is a stud IMO I love that he has gained 13 pounds of muscle as well!

I hope he is one of the big break out players this year!
 

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Does adding 13 pounds of muscle (from 233 to 246) to his 6' 1" frame move Fish out of the "smallish LB" category?...Or would he have to gain a couple of inches in height? :rolleyes:
 

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Originally posted by Wildman©
Does adding 13 pounds of muscle (from 233 to 246) to his 6' 1" frame move Fish out of the "smallish LB" category?...Or would he have to gain a couple of inches in height? :rolleyes:

Great question. I think that officially, he is no longer a "small" linebacker.
 

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Sounds like he's ready to rock and roll. His health is a bigger concern than his size. If his knee's healed, then he should be the man there. Fredrickson is gone, so we really need Levar to step up.
 

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Originally posted by Ed B
Sounds like he's ready to rock and roll. His health is a bigger concern than his size. If his knee's healed, then he should be the man there. Fredrickson is gone, so we really need Levar to step up.

I think he could be our best linebacker when all is said and done.

He has amazing speed for a linebacker, and has the mentality that all of the leagues great linebackers have. Last year, I thought he was the best linebacker in the draft, even better than Napoleon Harris.

His one problem so far is injuries and lack of experience. If he can get over both (playing will cure the lack of experience) he can become a force in this league.
 

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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
His one problem so far is injuries and lack of experience.

I couldn't agree more.

If he figures out what the heck he's doing and stays healthy, I don't really forsee a drop-off from Fredrickson.

The thing is, Fredrickson was such a savvy veteran while Levar will still make some "rookie mistakes". But Levar is obviously much more capable.

I know this is a dumb thing to say since I've called levar "too small" in the past but.....245 seems pretty heavy for a guy who relies on his speed. Thoughts?
 

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Originally posted by Ed B
I couldn't agree more.

If he figures out what the heck he's doing and stays healthy, I don't really forsee a drop-off from Fredrickson.

The thing is, Fredrickson was such a savvy veteran while Levar will still make some "rookie mistakes". But Levar is obviously much more capable.

I know this is a dumb thing to say since I've called levar "too small" in the past but.....245 seems pretty heavy for a guy who relies on his speed. Thoughts?

To be totally honest, I don't think it will hurt him one bit.

Levar, even if he loses a step, is still faster than almost 90% of the league's linebackers. Levar is in the Derrick Brooks range of speed, so adding weight should be gravy.
 

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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
To be totally honest, I don't think it will hurt him one bit.

Levar, even if he loses a step, is still faster than almost 90% of the league's linebackers. Levar is in the Derrick Brooks range of speed, so adding weight should be gravy.

You're right. It's just the boring part of the offseason and i'm trying to start conversation!

The thing is, all these guys come to camp with "15 pounds heavier!" stories. But the reality is, after 3 weeks of sweating their asses off at camp, very few of them will hold that weight!

If I had a nickel for every season Ray T came to camp at "230" and damn it if by week 2 he wasn't back down to 220 :)

It's very easy to hold weight in the offseason where the players are more sedentary and lifting weights constantly. It's very different to hold that during two-a-days. I bet levar will be in the high 230s by the time all is said and done.
 

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Originally posted by Ed B
You're right. It's just the boring part of the offseason and i'm trying to start conversation!

The thing is, all these guys come to camp with "15 pounds heavier!" stories. But the reality is, after 3 weeks of sweating their asses off at camp, very few of them will hold that weight!

If I had a nickel for every season Ray T came to camp at "230" and damn it if by week 2 he wasn't back down to 220 :)

It's very easy to hold weight in the offseason where the players are more sedentary and lifting weights constantly. It's very different to hold that during two-a-days. I bet levar will be in the high 230s by the time all is said and done.

Ed in relation to muscle weight which is what Im assuming these guys have gained. I dont see that being dropped as quickly as "bad" weight do you?

It seems to me that while they may lose weight during two a days most of that is the dreaded "gut weight" rather then there muscle mass?
 

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I like what Levar brings to the table. I also think he's the kind of guy (ala R.Colvin) who can get to the QB. My gut feeling is that he will help out the pass rush if he can stay on the field.
 

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Originally posted by Ed B
You're right. It's just the boring part of the offseason and i'm trying to start conversation!

The thing is, all these guys come to camp with "15 pounds heavier!" stories. But the reality is, after 3 weeks of sweating their asses off at camp, very few of them will hold that weight!

If I had a nickel for every season Ray T came to camp at "230" and damn it if by week 2 he wasn't back down to 220 :)

It's very easy to hold weight in the offseason where the players are more sedentary and lifting weights constantly. It's very different to hold that during two-a-days. I bet levar will be in the high 230s by the time all is said and done.

Sure he will lose weight, but he still has probably gotten a lot stronger and that is what really matters. Levar already was pretty strong and fast, just imagine what he can do with added strength if he can stay healthy :D.

Ray Thompson seems like he did get a little bit bigger last year, and I hope he continues to slowly add a little more weight. His better play coincided with him gaining weight, and I think it did have an impact on his season.
 

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Originally posted by Ed B
I know this is a dumb thing to say since I've called levar "too small" in the past but.....245 seems pretty heavy for a guy who relies on his speed. Thoughts?

I don't know. Suggs added weight and did apparently slow down so it is quite possible that Fisher could slow down a bit. I am not in a position to say Fisher is as fast as Brooks...or anyone else. Until they use laser timing, nobody knows for sure on speeds.

Having said that, the weight gain by Fisher may slow him but as he starts camp and the pounds do start melting off, like you pointed out, his speed should increase again. I think it is better they come into camp 15 pounds heavier so they can drop weight without actually lightening their playing weight.
 
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Just looking at Fisher and Noch, you can tell Fisher has the natural frame to carry extra weight. Noch will probably always be around 220 and that's fine. He demonstrated last year he could stay on the field at that weight, so I don't worry about Ray.
 

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FWIW

Levar played his Sr year in HS at about 217. He and I thought that he needed to be heavier for college. He weighed 233 lbs the day he left for NC State. He could bench at least 420 lbs, incline press 240 lbs 15 or more times and leg press a house. (He set the State FOOTBALL TEAM record on a Bear Squat Machine: 450 lbs for 81 repetitions.) According to my stop watch, he lost no speed with that 15 lb weight gain.

However, after several weeks of running (too much in my book) in the NC humidity and then fall practice, he lost down to about 220 lbs by the beginning of his freshman FOOTBALL season. He managed to gain (slowly) and hold his weight over the next 3 years: 230 to 235 range. He managed his best two 40 times in that weight range: 4.51 and 4.47, back-to-back, going into his senior year.

I hope that he is able to maintain his quicks with his latest weight gain.... muscle gains usually do not hurt speed as long as flexibilty is maintained...
 

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Originally posted by Wildman©
Levar played his Sr year in HS at about 217. He and I thought that he needed to be heavier for college. He weighed 233 lbs the day he left for NC State. He could bench at least 420 lbs, incline press 240 lbs 15 or more times and leg press a house. (He set the State FOOTBALL TEAM record on a Bear Squat Machine: 450 lbs for 81 repetitions.) According to my stop watch, he lost no speed with that 15 lb weight gain.

However, after several weeks of running (too much in my book) in the NC humidity and then fall practice, he lost down to about 220 lbs by the beginning of his freshman FOOTBALL season. He managed to gain (slowly) and hold his weight over the next 3 years: 230 to 235 range. He managed his best two 40 times in that weight range: 4.51 and 4.47, back-to-back, going into his senior year.

I hope that he is able to maintain his quicks with his latest weight gain.... muscle gains usually do not hurt speed as long as flexibilty is maintained...

Did you coach him Wildman?

He's the one kid I was worried about when we started looking at picking up all these LB's in the offseason as I got me worried his knee wasn't healing. If that's not true I think his speed will be a huge asset to the team this year.

I like to see the headcoach use words like "missile" when talking about a LB (-:
 

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It is often true that players don't lost much speed when they gain some muscle. There is a definite destinction between muscle in fat. You only need a little essential fat for your organs and such. Gaining excess fat will do nothing for your muscles and does have a strong possibilty of slowing you down.

Muscle, unfortunatly is often times much easier to lose and much harder to gain. Often times with a muscle gain there is an increase in fat too. When a person works out they often lose water weight. It is not too difficult to lose 10 pounds of water if someone is working out hard and isn't well hydrated. If Fischer keeps his protein shakes up and keeps his carb/fat/protein ratios in check he should be able to maintain his weight unless his body is not cut out to be that weight. The harder he works out the more he has to eat. Most people who are already in fairly good shape and lift weights already usually find it difficult to gain more than three pounds of new muscle a month, so it should of probably taken Fischer five months to gain that muscle. It always made me wonder how Boston gained so much muscle so quickly.....hmmmmm....?!?!?!

It still amazes me that people don't always talk about gaining weight in terms of fat and muscle in sports. These guys should know what their body fat% are and should know exactly how much lean body mass they have and how much fat they have.
It still amazes me that.......... I can't remember his name for some reason!....the white guy who used to play DE for us...well what ever his name was...was allowed to eat cheeseburgers to try to gain weight!!! That's probably the best way to slow down and become ineffective!! Way to much Saturated fat! It amazes that most of these guys aren't on strict diet plans so they can be in surpreme condition, especially with how much they get paid. They should also have trainers that tell them that cheese burgers are not the way to go!!!!
 

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russ smith: I would agree - why do we have 11 linebackers? But...Jones and Faulk were picked up during last season..I think due to necessity (injuries)...By the end of last season..we already had:

jones
faulk
mckinnon
thompson
woods
young
fisher

not sure when we got burton..our nfl europe allocation

we drafted gilbert and hayes..

Maybe we are looking hard at replacing mckinnon eventually..I guess too many is better than not enough (like at safety and db!). Not sure why we drafted 2 linebackers..seems after round 2 we switched to drafting the best available athlete...hope it works out..
 

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cheeseburgers to gain weight? perhaps the infamous thomas burke...

Which brings me to another thought from training camp..it is good to see some guys gone..I saw #95 and had a burke ..oh no for a brief moment..then I realized it was someone else - fortunately.
 

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