Tulsi Gabbard Channels Trump on Borders

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  1. puckhead

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    You are smart enough to know that this isn't really a simple question. Any answer will only lead to further questions. I'm going to suggest that neither you or I will receive a satisfactory answer to this somewhat narrow question unless it is accompanied with a comprehensive immigration policy that is crafted in a Congress, with a willing Executive branch, working together to come up with a compromise that may or may not include decriminalizing non-asylum seekers that cross the border without permission.
     
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    I answered your question. You can detain until deportation or immediately deport. I don't think non-asylum seekers get court dates.
     
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    Folster The system doesn't work.

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    Sounds good to me, if that's the policy. I'm not sure any of the candidates who support decriminalization have been able or willing to detail that important detail.
     
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    Though Trump has essentially made asylum seeking illegal.
     
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    Which proposal specifies that?
     
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    What does jailing for several months or years accomplish? Decriminalizing illegal border crossing actually--in theory--expedites deportation...isn't that what folks like you want? The 99% of folks who cross the border illegally are simply looking for a better life? Have they violated the law? Sure. Are they really criminals? No. It does not = open borders and Trump/Tulsi are full of crap.
     
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    You can search the web for each candidates position on this issue (they have some differences) here is Julian Castro from 5 months ago:

     
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    I challenge any of the "open borders...we don't have a country" crowd to read the proposals and show how what is being proposed is actual "open borders."
     
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    It's pretty clear she either thinks the only way to win is to be the total opposite of most Dems, or she's not trying to win she's trying to undermine the rest of them.

    At first I thought maybe she's a rabbit, you know the runner in a mile or 800 meters that's not really trying to win their job is to run the first 2 laps fast to bring up the pace so the really good runners have a better chance at a world record. Now I think she's more comparable to the person who tries to trip the good runners.
     
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    Yep... I knew it was coming after the first debate when she allowed her sister to access her Twitter account to cry foul about air time devoted to her. She is a snake in the grass.
     
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    I have been very clear since she first ran for Congress she can not be trusted.
     
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    8 USC - it actually depends and I'll amend my answer accordingly. If they catch the alien at the border, then they can immediately deport. The code appears to be written that if they catch the alien within the US, however, s/he has to be brought before an IJ first.

    [edit] See also at p. 4: https://www.ilrc.org/sites/default/files/resources/overview_deport_process-20181221.pdf
     
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    He doesn't provide any details on how the civil process will work. Without specifics on detaining and deportation policies it's open to interpretation.

    Fair or not, decriminalization equals open borders to many. Candidates need to provide details on how non-asylum seekers will be handled.
     
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    Those are both options now, so I don't see how this would change anything.
     
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    More hype ... Nobody has suggested open borders so why do you bring it up ?
     
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