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Watching the games this weekend, I can't understand how anyone could look at the competing teams (with the possible exceptions being the Titans and Bucs), and think the Cards are even in the same universe as the Chiefs, Bills, Bengals, Rams, Packers and 9ers...

I won't go into an exhaustive comparison, other than to say that at the two most critical positions...that being the Head Coach and QB, the Cards are literally light-years away from these teams. It's sad... and yes, the Truth cuts like a knife... it hurts bad!

There isn't enough alcohol on earth that could get me to envision a team led by Kliff, with Kyler at QB, that could've possibly competed at the level of Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Stafford, or even Jimmy G. Let alone the teams themselves fighting & battling at levels of brutality and grit the Cards haven't shown since their 2008/2009 run to the Super Bowl...

I'll say it again... with Kliff and Kyler, this franchise will win it's fair share of regular season games. Maybe make a post season here or there. But they will be a laughable 1 & done playoff team whenever they do make the post season. They'll certainly never be a legit post season threat.

the most glaring thing to me watching all those games is how RESILIENT teams were in the games. The Cardinals were great front-runners this year, but if they got punched in the mouth early, they would generally curl up in the fetal position or just have zero poise whatsoever trying to stand toe to toe with teams in a back and forth game.
 
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the most glaring thing to me watching all those games is how RESILIENT teams were in the games. The Cardinals were great front-runners this year, but if they got punched in the mouth early, they would generally curl up in the fetal position or just have zero poise whatsoever trying to stand toe to toe with teams in a back and forth game.
Yup... The word "identity" gets tossed around a lot in professional sports. I think we saw the identity of teams all weekend long. Resilience is an identity. Owning the line of scrimmage is an identity. Being able to stop the run... Being able to get to the QB (Sack, Hit, Hurry)... Being able to convert 3rd downs in pressure situations... Being able to run the ball when the other team KNOWS you're going to run the ball... All are identities of teams that win the in the post season. And the brutal truth is that the Cards possess none of these. Like, they aren't even close to being associated with any of these.

The identity of the Cards is one that no team would ever want. Soft. Poorly coached. No grit. No guts. No football IQ. And yes, no resilience...
 

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Yup... The word "identity" gets tossed around a lot in professional sports. I think we saw the identity of teams all weekend long. Resilience is an identity. Owning the line of scrimmage is an identity. Being able to stop the run... Being able to get to the QB (Sack, Hit, Hurry)... Being able to convert 3rd downs in pressure situations... Being able to run the ball when the other team KNOWS you're going to run the ball... All are identities of teams that win the in the post season. And the brutal truth is that the Cards possess none of these. Like, they aren't even close to being associated with any of these.

The identity of the Cards is one that no team would ever want. Soft. Poorly coached. No grit. No guts. No football IQ. And yes, no resilience...
SOFT. That is absolutely the identity of this team. All the other things mentioned fall under that umbrella.
 

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SOFT. That is absolutely the identity of this team. All the other things mentioned fall under that umbrella.
Which is crazy considering early in the season you and I were commenting how physical therapy team finally looked. But I guess it’s easy to be physical when you’re on top and the bully. When other teams punched back the second half of the season, just like with most bullies, we shrank. That’s the worst kind of soft.
 

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Which is crazy considering early in the season you and I were commenting how physical therapy team finally looked. But I guess it’s easy to be physical when you’re on top and the bully. When other teams punched back the second half of the season, just like with most bullies, we shrank. That’s the worst kind of soft.
The question is, why did they get soft. Was it because of soft players, soft Coaching, getting soft because buying into the hype to much. Or did some players get less and less playtime ...
 

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Which is crazy considering early in the season you and I were commenting how physical therapy team finally looked. But I guess it’s easy to be physical when you’re on top and the bully. When other teams punched back the second half of the season, just like with most bullies, we shrank. That’s the worst kind of soft.
Did you mean to say physical the rapey?
 

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Which is crazy considering early in the season you and I were commenting how physical therapy team finally looked. But I guess it’s easy to be physical when you’re on top and the bully. When other teams punched back the second half of the season, just like with most bullies, we shrank. That’s the worst kind of soft.
yup. they proved to be complete and total front-runners.
 
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So, Mike B and Keim have cobbled together a team that, for the initial stages of a season, can often be an exciting and fun team to watch. Relying heavily on the physical (not mental or intellectual) gifts of Murray, along with superior skills of several others: D-Hop, Kirk, Rondale, Conner, Edmonds on offense. And guys like Jones, Watt, Golden, Baker, Murphy, Hicks, Simmons on defense... The team is fully capable of winning 9 or 10 games a season, with virtually ALL of the W's coming in the first 3/4ths of the season.

But of course, quality teams that can be counted on to get into the post season more often than not, focus on the last 1/4th of the season. They are managed and led in ways that build momentum and build reliability in ways that translate to late-season, crunch-time W's.

So in many ways, from the GM, to the coaching and of course down to the players, the Cardinals are really nothing more than a collection of posers and imposters. Many so-called "experts," most notably Keyshawn, have known this from the jump. For Gambo and the rest of us fans, it was nasty-tasting medicine we refused to take. Yet, it was and remains the truth.

So yea, I have never been a fan of Kliffy since day one. And IMHO, he hasn't done one single thing to make me feel differently toward him. In fact, if anything, he has only cemented my misgivings and distrust in him. He is a pretty-boy, LuLuLemon wearing poser who has never won a thing anywhere as a coach. And I believe he remains entirely incapable of winning when it matters most at the highest level of the game. Though many give him the tag of being a "players coach," he is not a leader as anyone can lead when the games don't matter much. Real leaders of men are able to lift their troops to levels they never thought possible, particularly when the intensity and the stakes reach critical levels. Kliffy is none of that and so, while we can do what we fans love to do - dissecting each play and each player, the truth is that this team's shortcomings begin and end with the head coach. Period.

Aside from Kyler, I actually believe this team has enough talent to make it to the post season. But without a credible head coach, AND, without a truly viable leader at the QB position, it will take a ton of great luck and fortunate breaks for this team to play in a post-season game.
IMHO, Kyler is a major source of the problems with this team. In his 3rd season, facing a depleted 1-win team, he should've been more than capable of lifting his play to the level that would've produced a W yesterday. I don't care that our defense allowed an undrafted Practice Squad RB to go for over 100 yards... The reality is our offense was shut-out in the first half and was only able to score ONE touchdown. I don't have the words to describe how pitiful that is, yet it speaks volumes about our QB...

Unfortunately, the hurtful truth is that, as long as Kliffy and Kyler remain at the helm of this ship(sinking?), expectations will need to be throttled back. They may get us to the post season every now and then... but I would suspect it will always be a one & done scenario. Certainly, a Super Bowl appearance, let alone a Championship is as far out of reach as is the moon from earth...
Recent reports continue to validate the above…
Kyler might grow up… one day… maybe… but probably not.
And he’ll continue to alienate fellow players.
My decision to dump my season tickets continues to look like the right choice…
 
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The question is, why did they get soft. Was it because of soft players, soft Coaching, getting soft because buying into the hype to much. Or did some players get less and less playtime ...
Why am defending again, soft because we did not run the god damned ball! period BS end of story, soft teams don’t run and Allow hard premium pass rushes throw cards down, rip off their one dimensional identity, and have their way with cards.

kyler played at mvp level, sorry no qb can compete in the nightmare scenario, packers showed NFL how to beat us, just lead us where we want to go addicted to the pass! Allergic to the run - then to Detroit and the worse team in the NFL aggressively destroyed us as chase had 2 carries Conner 1 at the end of the 1st half!

I actually like Kliff a lot just not his behavior, Kyler would have to audible like 50% of the time to a RB run play, hero ball running himself only works at certain times. It does not force the defense to change.

again nit starting Conner who made the pro bowl as a 2nd string back up rb, now everybody denying this - he is not the back up my butt! I’ve been screaming that all year, don’t know what the hell others are watching. Yes he had more carries, more effective, played more games ect. Is earth more then chase in free agency also! Why cause he was a bell cow in Pittsburg, and could be for the cards if cards running game coordinator, HC, staff we’re not epically stupid! And GM was a boss instead of weak kneed yes man.

truth is as the thread states, we had 5 - 3 and outs 2 interceptions in the first half, first Conner run was out of the end zone, right before the pick 6 that sealed cards fate. That’s damnEd hard truth, and it did not have to happen that way, cards could have actually played their pro bowl running back, so he had pain, he lead blocked for Kyler early. Caught the poor executed trick play, scored hard to late to matter.

just makes me sick cards media, team don’t even mention it, the announcers and analyst harped on it the whole damn game- and idiots still never mention it. Rb can not be an afterthought against the rams or the NFCW ! Less then 1 mill for chase, 1.7 mill for Conner last year, drake took back up money after a 1000 yard year for cards last year.

you fans deserves another 75 years with no championship. Like cards deserve every bit of misery they feel right now, Michael , Keim allows whis, BA. KK to continue the same fundamentally flawed football filosphy for 1.5 decades now.
it’s not consumable, opposite of championship, no continuity, consistency, keep doing what your doing, will keep getting what your getting.
 

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Why am defending again, soft because we did not run the god damned ball! period BS end of story, soft teams don’t run and Allow hard premium pass rushes throw cards down, rip off their one dimensional identity, and have their way with cards.

kyler played at mvp level, sorry no qb can compete in the nightmare scenario, packers showed NFL how to beat us, just lead us where we want to go addicted to the pass! Allergic to the run - then to Detroit and the worse team in the NFL aggressively destroyed us as chase had 2 carries Conner 1 at the end of the 1st half!

I actually like Kliff a lot just not his behavior, Kyler would have to audible like 50% of the time to a RB run play, hero ball running himself only works at certain times. It does not force the defense to change.

again nit starting Conner who made the pro bowl as a 2nd string back up rb, now everybody denying this - he is not the back up my butt! I’ve been screaming that all year, don’t know what the hell others are watching. Yes he had more carries, more effective, played more games ect. Is earth more then chase in free agency also! Why cause he was a bell cow in Pittsburg, and could be for the cards if cards running game coordinator, HC, staff we’re not epically stupid! And GM was a boss instead of weak kneed yes man.

truth is as the thread states, we had 5 - 3 and outs 2 interceptions in the first half, first Conner run was out of the end zone, right before the pick 6 that sealed cards fate. That’s damnEd hard truth, and it did not have to happen that way, cards could have actually played their pro bowl running back, so he had pain, he lead blocked for Kyler early. Caught the poor executed trick play, scored hard to late to matter.

just makes me sick cards media, team don’t even mention it, the announcers and analyst harped on it the whole damn game- and idiots still never mention it. Rb can not be an afterthought against the rams or the NFCW ! Less then 1 mill for chase, 1.7 mill for Conner last year, drake took back up money after a 1000 yard year for cards last year.

you fans deserves another 75 years with no championship. Like cards deserve every bit of misery they feel right now, Michael , Keim allows whis, BA. KK to continue the same fundamentally flawed football filosphy for 1.5 decades now.
it’s not consumable, opposite of championship, no continuity, consistency, keep doing what your doing, will keep getting what your getting.
thesmel, it is up there "less and less playtime" and coaching.

But I'm not sold that kliff decided to run less because he wanted to run less. I'm not sure if we could have run anything. Our Interior Line RG/LG and our RT aren't great run blocker, pass blocker most of the time either. We couln't run a run around, the #1 down of Kupp yesterday, we did that in the first half of the season, tried it in the second half some times and never could do it.

Overall this team got worse, I can see we run less, I can see Kyler played worse, I can see Hopkins was missing, I can see our D played atroscious at times. There were to many holes that I can pin point it on one single point. Can it be that everything fall appart at the same time, yes it could. But it could also be that there was something that set everything up to fail. The Lions game was, unbearable.
 

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