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Here is where I can buy into potential Kingsbury criticism. If you believe that he was hired to develop Kyler, you can argue he has underperformed because we have not seen that development from Kyler.
If anything, it seemed he was the choice as a matter of comfort less than development. (That's certainly how it seems to have played out as well)
 

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Here is where I can buy into potential Kingsbury criticism. If you believe that he was hired to develop Kyler, you can argue he has underperformed because we have not seen that development from Kyler.
How much of the problem is lack of buy-in from KM? Hard to tell. Fair to say I'm not happy with either of them right now.
 

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We didn't see them run very well till the opponent didn't play the run at all. At the beginning of the game our run is always pedestrian at least. Our O this year worked more like the pass sets up the run and not vice versa. And that is my point. We don't know if this "pass sets up the run" is because Kliff is the believe that it should work like that or that our O-line isn't capable of doing it.

I can't rememeber 1 run were the opponent knew we run that did work. Or at least did work over LG/RG/RT

Look I think we all know that we need to be more balanced and that you need to be more to know what you have to do, but it is something totally differnet to execute it.

Basically, we have to much holes to pin point one that was the problem.

Giving up 14 points in 2 drives is a problem

Same problem against the Lions.
First drive FG Lions
than we have 3rd and 4 get a LT false start into a 3rd and 9, Kyler sacked -1 (can happen)
TD Lions
than we have incomplet, 6 yards Conner, 3rd and 4 sack -8 by Kyler and punt
Punt Lions
we have penalty Beachum false start, incomplete, 14 yards to Ertz, Conner 2 yards, 13 yards to Ertz, 5 yards Edmonds, 2 Yards Ertz and 3rd and 3 Kyler Sacked for -12
PUNT
we march to the 6 yard line and don't get any points ... rewatch yourself I'm not commenting but we couldn't run on theme and so ...
TD Lions

so basically this run alone shows what more or less happend in the Playoff game as well, just, the Rams are a better team and don't let you march so easily.

But you could discuss, that we learned to be more patient but the rest ...

Kyler had a -1 yard run in the middle because von Miller beat Beachum .... c'mon ...
Than we try to run again after the TD and 2 yards by Edmonds ...
Kyler gets sacked for -8
and then Kyler throws the ball in front instead of sideways/backwards so that the trick play is an iillegal forward pass
TD LA Rams
Kyler holds the ball to long, sacked -7 yards pressure A. Donald and Gaines so basically C and LG
incomplete to Kirk, Moore short for 6 yards and punt
Punt LA Rams @1 yard line
Conner up the middle 3 yards (better than Edmonds but not great) AJ Green never gets controll and Scott fumbles it out of bounds next is the Pick 6 and with Kyler of that day the nail in the coffin.

GOSH if I go over this game again, I understand why Kyler reacts so overblown because someone says he was the culprid of unbearable... he was and nobody called him out.

Basically yes there was one or two things you could argue, yes D didn't play great, yes Green again droped a crucial catch, and we couldn't run really efficiently. Overall it wasn't as bad as playcalling wise or plays wise. It is a given that our O-line isn't great we can't figure that one out it seems. But even if so, Kyler has to throw after 2.5 seconds this is still football not a EA game. And yes some players need to step up, but give them at least the chance to as a QB.

Yes the Rams were the best team of the NFL this year after all is said and done, but our team showed that it could beat them. I think with Hopkins, Kyler wouldn't have faltered so easily, but after Rams made it to 10-0 Kyler seems to have panicked and yes ... we know the result.

Overall the comments that we saw now from Mortesen seem accurate, it is what Kyler looks like if he doesn't lead.

And we see that we coulnd't really run the ball really well and at the end of the day, do you want to take the ball out of the hand of the best player on your offense, which we maybe can all agree on, that kyler is on a good day.
With politeness as my fandom fades to - we did not attempt to run the ball! until cards were destroyed and game was over, what the hell are you and mortesen watching? Of course the rams and their best pass rush ever is going to kill the oline and Kyler! nothing else could ever happen! They rushed the passer full throttle from the start just like Detroit.

of course our defense
 

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With politeness as my fandom fades to - we did not attempt to run the ball! until cards were destroyed and game was over, what the hell are you and mortesen watching? Of course the rams and their best pass rush ever is going to kill the oline and Kyler! nothing else could ever happen! They rushed the passer full throttle from the start just like Detroit.

of course our defense
Are you watching the games? Did you watch the Rams run to the SB? Please rewatch the games and you will see that not many teams could run on them. Donald and Gains are really great against the run and Donald is great against anything you try to.

We could run when Donald wasn't in there but as long as we can't run, use misdirections and Screens against the Rams D we can't march anywhere without passing. And taking over 3 second to pass and still don't see the open guy or throw it away, is what it is, against the Rams a pick 6 that sealed the deal.
 

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Over the final 11 games of the season, including Arizona's postseason one-and-done, Collins played a grand total of 67 defensive snaps. Defensive coordinator Vance Joseph pointed to a Week 8 shoulder injury slowing down the rookie, but he remained active every week and logged routine special teams snaps. The more likely explanation is that Collins, like Simmons, just didn't transition into the pro game as seamlessly as Cardinals brass had hoped.
 

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Are you watching the games? Did you watch the Rams run to the SB? Please rewatch the games and you will see that not many teams could run on them. Donald and Gains are really great against the run and Donald is great against anything you try to.

We could run when Donald wasn't in there but as long as we can't run, use misdirections and Screens against the Rams D we can't march anywhere without passing. And taking over 3 second to pass and still don't see the open guy or throw it away, is what it is, against the Rams a pick 6 that sealed the deal.
Yes and that’s bull shot - we had the only pro bowl running back - and didn’t use him! You can’t deny that! ignorant sobs had him lead block for Kyler once! First carry was out of the end zone, right before went down by 21 on another GD pass! 5 -3.and outs and 2 interceptions in the first half ! What game was you watching.

did you watch the bengals lead the 2nd half of the Super Bowl by running the GD ball! still only had like 15 Carrys to 33 passes - rams had 13 for 21 yards! as soon as bengals stopped running and passed every GD down, they lost the game. So sick of this - look at the play by play if you don’t understand what your watching.

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- Field Goal (8 plays, 11 yards, 4:23 poss)​

RESULTPLAY
NO GAIN1 & 10 - CIN 31
(14:38 - 3rd) J.Burrow pass short left to J.Mixon to LAR 31 for no gain (L.Floyd).
NO GAIN2 & 10 - CIN 31
(14:18 - 3rd) J.Burrow sacked at LAR 32 for -1 yards (A.Donald).
+10 YD3 & 11 - CIN 32
(13:51 - 3rd) J.Burrow pass short right to J.Chase to LAR 22 for 10 yards (D.Williams - T.Rapp).
+4 YD4 & 1 - CIN 22
(13:09 - 3rd) J.Burrow scrambles up the middle to LAR 18 for 4 yards (T.Rapp).
+5 YD2 & 8 - CIN 16
(11:45 - 3rd) J.Burrow pass short right to C.Uzomah to LAR 11 for 5 yards (D.Williams; T.Rapp).
NO GAIN3 & 3 - CIN 11
(11:03 - 3rd) J.Burrow sacked at LAR 20 for -9 yards (A.Donald).
FIELD GOAL4 & 12 - CIN 20
(10:19 - 3rd) E.McPherson 38 yard field goal is GOOD - Center-C.Harris - Holder-K.Huber.
RESULTPLAY
NO GAIN1 & 10 - CIN 16
(2:47 - 3rd) J.Burrow sacked at CIN 14 for -2 yards (A.Robinson).
NO GAIN2 & 12 - CIN 14
(2:09 - 3rd) J.Burrow sacked at CIN 4 for -10 yards (V.Miller).
+17 YD3 & 22 - CIN 4
(1:23 - 3rd) J.Burrow pass short right to M.Thomas to CIN 21 for 17 yards (E.Weddle - J.Ramsey).
PUNT4 & 5 - CIN 21
(0:43 - 3rd) K.Huber punts 32 yards to LAR 47 - Center-C.Harris. B.Powell to LAR 48 for 1 yard (M.Thomas).
 
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Seems like not a week passes where Kyler reinforces my (along with so many others) take...
On the heels of a second consecutive 2nd half of the season collapse, capped off with a complete no-show in the playoff game vs the Rams, he now demands a new contract. The Cardinals are in a no-win situation. They took a shot on an immensely talented (physically) QB. His physical gifts alone, coupled with Keim adding some key FA's to surround Murray (D-Hop, Conner, Rodney Hudson...), helped get the team to 11 wins and a post-season birth this season. So, based on that and disregarding the crystal clear reasons for grave concern with Murray, he and his agent put the screws to the Cards.
Worse, Kyler's agent also represents our failing head coach - Kliffy...

So, there are really only two options here:

1.) The Cards can say F'-off to Murray and trade him.
2.) Acquiesce to his demands and sign him to a ton of money he doesn't deserve, hasn't earned and which the team will regret in years ahead.

Brutal...
 
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