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Jetstream Green

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Why am defending again, soft because we did not run the god damned ball! period BS end of story, soft teams don’t run and Allow hard premium pass rushes throw cards down, rip off their one dimensional identity, and have their way with cards.

kyler played at mvp level, sorry no qb can compete in the nightmare scenario, packers showed NFL how to beat us, just lead us where we want to go addicted to the pass! Allergic to the run - then to Detroit and the worse team in the NFL aggressively destroyed us as chase had 2 carries Conner 1 at the end of the 1st half!

I actually like Kliff a lot just not his behavior, Kyler would have to audible like 50% of the time to a RB run play, hero ball running himself only works at certain times. It does not force the defense to change.

again nit starting Conner who made the pro bowl as a 2nd string back up rb, now everybody denying this - he is not the back up my butt! I’ve been screaming that all year, don’t know what the hell others are watching. Yes he had more carries, more effective, played more games ect. Is earth more then chase in free agency also! Why cause he was a bell cow in Pittsburg, and could be for the cards if cards running game coordinator, HC, staff we’re not epically stupid! And GM was a boss instead of weak kneed yes man.

truth is as the thread states, we had 5 - 3 and outs 2 interceptions in the first half, first Conner run was out of the end zone, right before the pick 6 that sealed cards fate. That’s damnEd hard truth, and it did not have to happen that way, cards could have actually played their pro bowl running back, so he had pain, he lead blocked for Kyler early. Caught the poor executed trick play, scored hard to late to matter.

just makes me sick cards media, team don’t even mention it, the announcers and analyst harped on it the whole damn game- and idiots still never mention it. Rb can not be an afterthought against the rams or the NFCW ! Less then 1 mill for chase, 1.7 mill for Conner last year, drake took back up money after a 1000 yard year for cards last year.

you fans deserves another 75 years with no championship. Like cards deserve every bit of misery they feel right now, Michael , Keim allows whis, BA. KK to continue the same fundamentally flawed football filosphy for 1.5 decades now.
it’s not consumable, opposite of championship, no continuity, consistency, keep doing what your doing, will keep getting what your getting.
We seriously need to devote all our attention to that OL and DL. A OL really is only as good as its weakest link and we need a dominant guard, maybe even more so due to Kyler's height. With Kyler that interior of the OL might be even more important than the edges compared to a traditional QB. On the DL, we simply have no power. I look at the guys we have, their size fits the position but they seemingly do not have the strength or quickness. Running the ball is the basic starting point of football, we cannot dictate our will because our trenches are lacking
 

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American's, from what I gather, are essentially optimistic and probably this is what drives the CARDs angst.

It's all much easier to take if you remember these axioms:

"There is always a tunnel at the end of the light"

"Whatever doesn't kill you, just wait"

"Life is hard but, thankfully, short."

;)
 

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American's, from what I gather, are essentially optimistic and probably this is what drives the CARDs angst.

It's all much easier to take if you remember these axioms:

"There is always a tunnel at the end of the light"

"Whatever doesn't kill you, just wait"

"Life is hard but, thankfully, short."

;)
According to Tolstoy, you just described the Russian character lol
 

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thesmel, it is up there "less and less playtime" and coaching.

But I'm not sold that kliff decided to run less because he wanted to run less. I'm not sure if we could have run anything. Our Interior Line RG/LG and our RT aren't great run blocker, pass blocker most of the time either. We couln't run a run around, the #1 down of Kupp yesterday, we did that in the first half of the season, tried it in the second half some times and never could do it.

Overall this team got worse, I can see we run less, I can see Kyler played worse, I can see Hopkins was missing, I can see our D played atroscious at times. There were to many holes that I can pin point it on one single point. Can it be that everything fall appart at the same time, yes it could. But it could also be that there was something that set everything up to fail. The Lions game was, unbearable.
Man I’m trying to keep an open mind, but chase and Conner both had decent runs when finally given a chance, after game was determined, he was hurt is bull crap.
how would you know they are not good run blockers, even most the runs are trick plays from passing formations. i Don’t how anybody can rationalize and defend this anymore? Look at Detroit blow out and you see the rams playoff game. Except by the worse team in the NFL! Then look at the win against the rams, where we showed the tiniest of balance! Just sick of the Hopkins blaming! Just can’t compete lIke that, no one can.
 

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We seriously need to devote all our attention to that OL and DL. A OL really is only as good as its weakest link and we need a dominant guard, maybe even more so due to Kyler's height. With Kyler that interior of the OL might be even more important than the edges compared to a traditional QB. On the DL, we simply have no power. I look at the guys we have, their size fits the position but they seemingly do not have the strength or quickness. Running the ball is the basic starting point of football, we cannot dictate our will because our trenches are lacking
We never even tried, damn it did you see Detroit destroy us! exact same game as the rams playoff loss! No runs until it was over! Oline has no chance to succeed, defense don’t need to play the run because we never ran! Just pin their ears back from the start and kill Kyler, just like they killed kurt when we ran 1 time to every 3 or 4 passes! only time we won was with a run game Effort! Whiz with edge and beanie, bA with CJ and DJ, KM with conner and chase.
it’s just the damned truth look at it.
forget to run, forget to win.
 

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Till Keim can put together a strong DL and OL to compete in this division and the playoffs, it does not matter who the coach is or the QB
Nice take. Kyler has his faults but our OL & DL needs physical players like yesterday, building a team always starts in the trenches other than the QB.
 

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We seriously need to devote all our attention to that OL and DL. A OL really is only as good as its weakest link and we need a dominant guard, maybe even more so due to Kyler's height. With Kyler that interior of the OL might be even more important than the edges compared to a traditional QB. On the DL, we simply have no power. I look at the guys we have, their size fits the position but they seemingly do not have the strength or quickness. Running the ball is the basic starting point of football, we cannot dictate our will because our trenches are lacking
Kenyon Green with our 1st round pick will help big time.
 

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Man I’m trying to keep an open mind, but chase and Conner both had decent runs when finally given a chance, after game was determined, he was hurt is bull crap.
how would you know they are not good run blockers, even most the runs are trick plays from passing formations. i Don’t how anybody can rationalize and defend this anymore? Look at Detroit blow out and you see the rams playoff game. Except by the worse team in the NFL! Then look at the win against the rams, where we showed the tiniest of balance! Just sick of the Hopkins blaming! Just can’t compete lIke that, no one can.
We didn't see them run very well till the opponent didn't play the run at all. At the beginning of the game our run is always pedestrian at least. Our O this year worked more like the pass sets up the run and not vice versa. And that is my point. We don't know if this "pass sets up the run" is because Kliff is the believe that it should work like that or that our O-line isn't capable of doing it.

I can't rememeber 1 run were the opponent knew we run that did work. Or at least did work over LG/RG/RT

Look I think we all know that we need to be more balanced and that you need to be more to know what you have to do, but it is something totally differnet to execute it.

Basically, we have to much holes to pin point one that was the problem.

Giving up 14 points in 2 drives is a problem

Same problem against the Lions.
First drive FG Lions
than we have 3rd and 4 get a LT false start into a 3rd and 9, Kyler sacked -1 (can happen)
TD Lions
than we have incomplet, 6 yards Conner, 3rd and 4 sack -8 by Kyler and punt
Punt Lions
we have penalty Beachum false start, incomplete, 14 yards to Ertz, Conner 2 yards, 13 yards to Ertz, 5 yards Edmonds, 2 Yards Ertz and 3rd and 3 Kyler Sacked for -12
PUNT
we march to the 6 yard line and don't get any points ... rewatch yourself I'm not commenting but we couldn't run on theme and so ...
TD Lions

so basically this run alone shows what more or less happend in the Playoff game as well, just, the Rams are a better team and don't let you march so easily.

But you could discuss, that we learned to be more patient but the rest ...

Kyler had a -1 yard run in the middle because von Miller beat Beachum .... c'mon ...
Than we try to run again after the TD and 2 yards by Edmonds ...
Kyler gets sacked for -8
and then Kyler throws the ball in front instead of sideways/backwards so that the trick play is an iillegal forward pass
TD LA Rams
Kyler holds the ball to long, sacked -7 yards pressure A. Donald and Gaines so basically C and LG
incomplete to Kirk, Moore short for 6 yards and punt
Punt LA Rams @1 yard line
Conner up the middle 3 yards (better than Edmonds but not great) AJ Green never gets controll and Scott fumbles it out of bounds next is the Pick 6 and with Kyler of that day the nail in the coffin.

GOSH if I go over this game again, I understand why Kyler reacts so overblown because someone says he was the culprid of unbearable... he was and nobody called him out.

Basically yes there was one or two things you could argue, yes D didn't play great, yes Green again droped a crucial catch, and we couldn't run really efficiently. Overall it wasn't as bad as playcalling wise or plays wise. It is a given that our O-line isn't great we can't figure that one out it seems. But even if so, Kyler has to throw after 2.5 seconds this is still football not a EA game. And yes some players need to step up, but give them at least the chance to as a QB.

Yes the Rams were the best team of the NFL this year after all is said and done, but our team showed that it could beat them. I think with Hopkins, Kyler wouldn't have faltered so easily, but after Rams made it to 10-0 Kyler seems to have panicked and yes ... we know the result.

Overall the comments that we saw now from Mortesen seem accurate, it is what Kyler looks like if he doesn't lead.

And we see that we coulnd't really run the ball really well and at the end of the day, do you want to take the ball out of the hand of the best player on your offense, which we maybe can all agree on, that kyler is on a good day.
 

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Yeah, I remember when I said I felt Murray was already near his ceiling and wasn't going to get much better and I got crucified for it. Maybe I was right all along.
 

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Yeah, the experts that are paying attention know exactly what's going on with KM.
Here is where I can buy into potential Kingsbury criticism. If you believe that he was hired to develop Kyler, you can argue he has underperformed because we have not seen that development from Kyler.
 

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