The ticking fuster cluck that is Syria

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  1. BillsCarnage

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    So, the US shot down a Syrian fighter jet (pro-gov't and Russian pal) over the weekend that it says bombed US-backed rebels trying to boot ISIS from Raqqa.

    Of course Russia isn't too pleased by this and issued this statement:
    Considering everything happening is pretty much west of the Euphrates, this is going down hill real fast.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-warning-after-us-downs-syrian-jet/ar-BBCSZcj?li=BBnb7Kz
     
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    What exactly is our objective in Syria? I don't recall hearing the purpose.
     
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    The position of the Obama administration was to help the "good" Syrians win their freedom. that did not go too well.

    Trump administration has yet to exactly spell out what they want to happen. One day, Tillerson is saying Assad can stay in power. Next day, he's saying Assad should go. Trump says nothing at all.
     
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    The Russians apparently support ISIS because they are irksome to the US. Their only purpose in existence is to ruin things for us, always has been. Syria needs to be paved over, turned into a Spencer's warehouse, and used to distribute TV's to the rest of the Middle East.
     
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    and yet, on another thread, someone is asking why we shouldn't be playing nice with Russia.

    this country is as upside down as I can ever remember it.
     
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    Link?
     
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    Raqqa is the ISIS home base - their caliphate - and they still control a large swath in Syria and into Iraq.

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    The international coalition - lead by the US - has slowly been chipping away at ISIS territory. The US is mostly providing training to the Iraqi's and Syrian rebels. The rebels are at war with Assad, this is the Syrian civil war that's been going on for quite a while now. The US doesn't like Assad because he likes to gas people, so they provide support for the rebels. The rebels are fighting on two fronts, ISIS and Assad.

    Russia is pals with Assad, so naturally there's a conflict of interest between the US and Russia over Syria. Russia is providing support for Assad while still trying to throw darts at ISIS, but "accidentally" bombing the coalition forces on occasion.

    Not quite. In fact, ISIS is starting to target Russia.
    http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/specialseries/2017/05/isil-target-russia-170522095304580.html

    ISIS knows darn well what it's doing and that's trying to drag Russia and the US into a middle east war which could essentially start WWIII.
     
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    Thanks Billscarnage. Informative post.

    Who do you feel is responsible for the "creation" of ISIS?
     
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    Radical Muslims!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    ISIS has been around a very long time, it just was not ISIS at the time.
     
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    Who fanned the flames?
     
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    I'm not sure what your infatuation with the bad things we do is and why you find that then we should start partnering with people who do worse things with us. I would prefer we terminate all alliances with evildoers rather than form more.
     
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    If you were insisting on putting blame on anybody in the United states then you would have to first look at Ronald Reagan for helping to create the Taliban and Al Qaeda

    The second factor is directly related to W's dissolution of the Iraqi Army
     
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    Covert Rain Father smelt of elderberries!

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    The founders of Democracy. You don't need to "fan the flames". As long as any country's way of life is perceived as a threat to their way of life or control of the region that's all they need to exist. We could get out of the region tomorrow, not interfere in anything middle east and there will still be another "attack" sometime or somewhere directed towards us.
     
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    My infatuation is with the demonstrated hypocrisy of the people and government of the US refusing to acknowledge that the US is by no means clean, and has acted abhorrently in the past 30 years, all the while castigating Russia. If we compared the foreign policies of both countries of the last 30 years, the US would be judged as having a much more negative impact on the world.
    Russia's treatment of dissenters within it's own country, government corruption, etc. is certainly problematic - upon that I can certainly agree.
     

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