The Suns next big move

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  1. Phrazbit

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    Metric stats currently rank Beal as the worst defender in the entire NBA. The Wizards are currently significantly better when Beal is off the court, like, by a stunning margin, they're giving up an insane 123 points per 100 possessions when he is on the court, vs 108 when he is off.

    The Wizards will want a kings ransom for him, but with the way he is playing I wouldn't take him for free.
     
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    It's not even fun to tank anymore...This team just exists in limbo
     
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    It was never fun to tank. Tanking these last couple of years provided an excuse to accept the awful basketball we watched. We could celebrate losses as wins because they got us more pingpong balls.

    We're basically in NBA purgatory right now. Not good enough to compete and not bad enough to secure a top lottery pick. We're 10th in the West despite being 7 games below 500. The 8th seed is 3 games below 500 right now. I saw a good article a few weeks ago that I meant to share here about how the middle class in the NBA is disappearing because of how hard it is to build from the middle.

    Here's an excerpt...

    Definitely check it out, it's a little depressing but it hits on some good points.

    https://sports.yahoo.com/once-consi...ded-middle-is-becoming-extinct-214751467.html
     
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    Trickle-down basketball economics... I agree about the purgatory to a certain extent: to me it’s sort of whether the ceiling is Denver/Utah, or higher. I feel that the Suns are a couple of players away from the former. An upgrade at PF and backup PG for instance, and then the bench improves by virtue of being a more attractive destination. I would hope that Phoenix can be a more attractive destination than Denver and Salt Lake, but there’s the Sarver factor as well.
     
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    Come on guys. NBA purgatory is where teams that have peaked stay when they are no longer good but do not want to rebuild. This team has hit bottom and is on the way up. We have a star player in Booker and a likely star in Ayton. We are the youngest team in the league and we just matched our win total from last year and it’s still January. We need a pf and a back up pg. Last year we did not even have a starting pg. This is a stage this team has to move through and I am confident it will. Yes, I would have loved to improve by 25 games year over year, but we are going to have to settle for 15 or so.

    And this draft class is not worth a tank.
     
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  6. Ouchie-Z-Clown

    Ouchie-Z-Clown I'm better than Mulli!

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    This why I was a firm tank commander. If we didn’t whiff so badly on bender, Chriss and Jackson - if evening one had lived up to the hype, we likely would’ve jumped the middle class.
     
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    We're on the upswing. That swing would have been larger and moved much quicker if some of the high draft picks we had panned out but right now all of our eggs are in the Booker and Ayton basket, and I'm ok with that. We are still stuck in purgatory this year, not good enough to contend but not bad enough to bottom out to add a top pick.

    It's questionable if we'd be better suited fighting for an 8th seed or just letting things play out and ending up with another lottery pick. We may get lucky like the Pelicans last year, I doubt it but that is a possibility. I think our guys need the playoff experience more than the potential payoff of a high draft pick.

    Booker is a star and if we can get him to the playoffs this year, he'll have a much easier time convincing someone to join him here for the future than if we get another lottery pick. That's why I lean more towards swinging for the playoffs this year than not.

    We're still stuck in the middle class of the NBA whether we can make the playoffs this year or not. The only way we'd get out is if Booker takes another big step, Ayton can be who he was for that 3 game stretch on a more permanent basis, or we add another All-Star type player. Booker getting better isn't likely to happen, I know he's young but it's just greedy asking for him to do even more at this point. Ayton needs to be more consistent and I think he will be but I'm not sure how long it will take to see that Ayton 90% of the time rather than how we see it 10-15% of the time now. Adding another star is difficult, it can happen but it won't be that easy to accomplish. I think Booker is best bet there, like I said let's get him in the playoffs and then have him call some of his Team USA buddies this summer.
     
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  8. Ouchie-Z-Clown

    Ouchie-Z-Clown I'm better than Mulli!

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    Playoffs are our best bet. Needed experience for this young team. Makes the suns more attractive destination. Eliminates the National media’s beating on suns.

    even if they win the lottery this year it’s a poor top of the lottery talent wise.
     
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    Bradley Beal is a two-time NBA All-Star in 2018 and 2019. Maybe he gets in this year as well but not as a starter.
     
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    I applaud the details of your optimism. And I certainly do not want to see the Suns go back into tank mode.

    I just hope that their braintrust has the brains to fill the needs. So far it has not been a given.
     
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    Thus far, it seems that their brain trust doesn't have the brains to recognize that they HAVE any needs, let alone to fill them...
     
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    Stay in the hunt for as long as possible. Make it like winning counts, win as a team. Down goes the Spurs, go Suns!
     
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    Absolutely correct.
     
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    James Jones should be getting lessons from Mike Hazen down the street...
     
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    I wish the playoffs were a possibility for the Suns but the opportunity is slipping away.

    The only thing that can give the Suns a boost at this point, playing the toughest part of their schedule, is a trade.
     

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