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The Cards are still a year away from where they want to be. Danger is - everyone gets impatient and they blow up the entire deal a year too early. Then they start over again.

There's plenty to whine about, but I'd rather ID and fix the problems instead of tearing things down yet again.

Set goals. Work the plan. Be methodical. Don't panic.

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It’s interesting you say that considering this team is going to look a LOT different next season given all the free agents and the salary cap constraints. The “plan” of which you speak is going to have kinda relatively minimal continuity.
 

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The Cards are still a year away from where they want to be. Danger is - everyone gets impatient and they blow up the entire deal a year too early. Then they start over again.

There's plenty to whine about, but I'd rather ID and fix the problems instead of tearing things down yet again.

Set goals. Work the plan. Be methodical. Don't panic.

Cheez!
The Cardinals also have been very impulsive when there is not a quick turnaround. I still think a majority of all our misfortunes is Keim not being better at drafting regardless of the coach. Ironically, I think this team would be better served with Rod Graves and his drafting direction at this moment having a young QB who might be the ultimate solution approaching a contract extension
 
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I am looking at this like a sports car. If one can haul arse but it fall apart at the end, you have parts wearing out, or you have parts which have not been worn in enough, but in both cases (which we appear to have both) they cannot sustain the stress and not necessarily the fault of the driver (because he has to push the car to win on this professional track) but the components of the proverbial car... we need to start buying the proper parts in the draft, allow those parts to set in instead of leaving them on the garage shelf being pulled in and out, and maybe stop relying on rebuilt aftermarket parts lol
Great analogy.
 

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And the owner who keeps giving him chances. For the record in no other functional NFL functional would such a track record of general managing be allowed that teams ownership.
Except one: Jerry Jones. But hey, he owns the team so he likely isn’t going to fire himself.
 

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Yea, I’m not blaming anyone but Keim until he’s gone. I would continue to blame Bidwill for still having Keim employed, but Bidwill can’t fire himself.

Keim was on a streak of losing seasons before Kliff, Kyler, Vance, & others got here.

Keim was(& still is) on a streak of having awful drafts before Kliff, Kyler, Vance, & others got here.

Keim was on a streak of hiring bad coordinators before Kliff, Kyler, Vance, & others got here.




Lets also not forget the DUI part!


So, yea. Not sure how you can’t blame Keim more than anyone else by far.
 

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The Cards are still a year away from where they want to be. Danger is - everyone gets impatient and they blow up the entire deal a year too early. Then they start over again.

There's plenty to whine about, but I'd rather ID and fix the problems instead of tearing things down yet again.

Set goals. Work the plan. Be methodical. Don't panic.

Cheez!
OR you could just draft Joe Burrows. ;)
 
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Yea, I’m not blaming anyone but Keim until he’s gone. I would continue to blame Bidwill for still having Keim employed, but Bidwill can’t fire himself.

Keim was on a streak of losing seasons before Kliff, Kyler, Vance, & others got here.

Keim was(& still is) on a streak of having awful drafts before Kliff, Kyler, Vance, & others got here.

Keim was on a streak of hiring bad coordinators before Kliff, Kyler, Vance, & others got here.




Lets also not forget the DUI part!


So, yea. Not sure how you can’t blame Keim more than anyone else by far.
I do out most blame on keim. But that doesn’t absolve coaches from coaching well or players from playing well. Pointing the finger at a single basket is a narrow minded approach that has you wondering why things still haven’t righted themselves when keim is canned.
 

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I hate to speak poorly of the dead, but this problem started a long time ago. A lot of our personnel problems seem to have started with George Boone. I know he has been gone 20 years, but the team has not really changed from his personnel decisions.
 

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I hate to speak poorly of the dead, but this problem started a long time ago. A lot of our personnel problems seem to have started with George Boone. I know he has been gone 20 years, but the team has not really changed from his personnel decisions.
as a long time fan -- as bad as Keim has been at times -- there have been no Kelly Stouffers over Jerome Brown, John Lee --kicker at pick #32, Clyde Duncan, etc. George Boone made many "WTF!!" kinda picks that made the TV draft guys laugh
 

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in the big picture:

Historically, the Cards reputation was such that any HC with choices ( Denny G, Whis, even Arians) required assurance that they would have input into the draft. My connections into the org were good during the Denny / Whis days and waned during Arians. I have no idea on Wilks or Kliff.
 

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as a long time fan -- as bad as Keim has been at times -- there have been no Kelly Stouffers over Jerome Brown, John Lee --kicker at pick #32, Clyde Duncan, etc. George Boone made many "WTF!!" kinda picks that made the TV draft guys laugh
Another qb from that era was a qb from Missouri who's name escapes me. Wasn't he another high draft choice that flopped? Stouffer never put on the uniform if I remember right.
 

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Another qb from that era was a qb from Missouri who's name escapes me. Wasn't he another high draft choice that flopped? Stouffer never put on the uniform if I remember right.
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