The rich get richer...

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  1. BritCard

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    And with this in mind (because Reid was never really blackballed) was Kap? Or did he just suck?

    In 2015 before his kneeling started he was benched in week 8 for Blaine Gabbert and didn't play another game. He then got beat out by Gabbert again in 2016 camp to be named the starter for Game 1. This is Blaine Gabbert. He got the job back in week 6 because Gabbert was Gabbert but he sucked. He only passed for 203 yards per game and 16 TDs in 11 starts and got pulled from a game for going 1/5 for 4 yards.

    Then Shanahan came in and didn't want him for his scheme and other teams simply looked at his form the last 2 seasons where he was beat out by Gabbert twice and decided they had seen enough and that he wasn't starting caliber. It's not like he's the first QB to start a bunch then wash out. Blake Bortles has far better career stats than Kap.

    Kap has become this social justice folk hero to the point that it's erased what a garbage QB he was. His BEST career grade was the 2012 season he went to the SB with a 73 grade.

    His best season for yards passing was 3369 in 2014 which when combined with 639 on the ground was by far his best year. His only good year really. Blake Bortles had a 4400 passing yard season to go with 310 on the deck.

    Kap's season grades for his career according to PFF? 73, 67, 64, 47, 58.

    It's convenient for the social justice warriors to say Kap is out of the league because of his politics, it keeps the story going. It's a drum they can beat forever.

    This simple fact is that Kap sucked. Really badly. Certainly nowhere near enough to warrant a starting NFL job. He was a considerably worse player than Bortles and Bortles can't get a backup job. More and more teams want a backup with upside, someone that might develop. It's much more common now to see the backup be a Wolford, Streveler, Hundley, Allen than a Stanton or Gabbert (both old school BA guys) who the league already know are has beens.

    Hell, Winston and Marriota have FAR better stats and grades than Kap and are only just clinging on in the league.
     
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    I don't think Kaep is good, but pretending he was worse than Bortles when all Bortles could do was produce garbage statistics with his team down by 40 isn't a very good take.

    Kaepernick is the unfortunate blend of not being good enough to make up for the surrounding media circus he brings along. For wildly different reasons, this happened to Tim Tebow as well.
     
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    Indeed, bortles career ended up pretty quickly
    Koepernick was better then him but doesn't mean much
    I guess teams didn't sign him not for his political view but because they were afraid to sign him for the turmoil and distraction he would have brought(indirectly, not his fault ) inside the organization
     
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    What metric shall we use? Kaep's stats are trash. His win loss record is 28-30. His PFF grades suck. His passing TD ratio is barely 1 per game. What are you using to say he's better than Bortles?

    Bortles also sucked. But his PFF grades are almost identical to Kaep. His stats are far better (except interceptions).

    Either way they both suck. Which is the point.
     
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    How dare you speak ill of Kaep! Racist!
     
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    And he sucks. Mainly he sucks. But the circus is the nail in the coffin.
     
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    Kaep sucked and his use of the race card may have allowed him to extort money from the NFL on his BS collaboration game. Fortunately, however the individual teams stayed away from this guy who lacked any of the physical or intangible qualities needed to be a leader.
     
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    If I recall correctly, you haven't been watching football for more than ~5 years or so, right? I don't mean that in a way to invalidate your thoughts here, just that you wouldn't have been watching when Kaepernick took over as the starter for the 49ers and then was absolutely electric. He looked like the next big thing, and almost won the Super Bowl. In 2013, he picked up where he left off. By 2014/2015, teams began to figure him out. But for two years, he was running one of the better teams in the league, and people considered him the reason the offense ascended over Alex Smith. Now, they had a dominant rushing attack, so Colin didn't have to put the ball in the air as much, but he was considered good.

    Bortles is the opposite. His teams were always well behind, and it's partly because he turned the ball over so incredibly much. Not a single year under 10 interceptions.

    As Matthew Berry used to say, "he'll Bortles his way to fantasy relevance for you," which became a term for getting production in nothing but garbage time. I don't love QBR as a reference normally, but if you want the comparison between Bortles and Kaep, take a look there. Bortles' is so low because his production was irrelevant in games.
     
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    Please enumerate the "physical" qualities of leadership and how KAP failed the grade?

    Too tall, too short, too fat, too slow, too, too?
     
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    QBR Kaep:
    2011 - 69.5 (3 games, 0 starts)
    2012 - 71.8 (13 games / 7 starts)
    2013 - 67.3 (16/16)
    2014 - 60.9 (16/16)
    2015 - 43.7 (9/8)
    2016 - 49.2 (12/11)

    QBR Bortles:
    2014 - 26.7 (14/13)
    2015 - 51.4 (16/16)
    2016 - 43.0 (16/16)
    2017 - 59.2 (16/16)
    2018 - 43.4 (13/12)
    2019 - N/A

    So for Kaep's last two years, it did look like the league figured him out.
     
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    This actually makes a TON of sense now.
     
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    Nah he kind of sucked at his job. He brought a lot of distraction and wasn't good enough to compensate for the distraction.
     
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    So what’s your excuse
     
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