The offseason - The reality. The plan. And what would you do?

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  1. Krangthebrain

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    Nope, not premature.

    It's called being realistic.

    Castonzo is not 10 times better. You do realize he sucked for years before becoming a decent player?
     
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    If significantly = 10 times better, my answer is, in all sanity - NO!
     
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    If we only re-sign Murray, and leave this offensive line as it was at the end of the season last year, I'll riot. But I think you're open for Thomas/Wirfs, so I'm fine with that.
     
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    You’d think DJ is Bradley Sowell reading these posts.
     
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    And Johnathan Ogden by reading others!
     
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    No, the plan is to draft a top LT at #8. Save $10m and use that $10m to strengthen the defense.
     
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    When Kevin Beechum has a higher PFF grade than Hump and people want to pay him $14m....

    For all those saying "But he only gave up 2 sacks" may I remind you how many quick out 5 yard passes we made this season precisely because Kliff had no faith in the O line protecting Kyler for anything deeper?

    The 2 sacks thing is a red herring.

    Kylers aDot went 10.6 > 8.2 > 5.9 > 5.3 through the first 4 games as Kliff had to adjust to a line that couldn't do what he wanted it to do. He had to start playing more 11 and 12 personnel.

    I very much doubt Kliff is saying he is happy with the O line as it is. The O line statistical performance is a result of scheme, not talent. It's why the whole line has average grades yet relatively few attributed sacks.
     
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    So we have a line increasingly comfortable with the KK scheme and you somehow turn this into a negative.

    If Hump's two sacks is a red herring, may I purchase 8 more to be shared with Mister's Pugh, AQ, Sweezy and Murray?
     
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    But it's not the scheme he wants to run. More importantly its not a scheme we want to watch.

    Kliff had to move off the scheme he wants to use for one that the O line could cope with. That's not learning the scheme, that hampering the scheme.

    Lets set this 2 sacks thing on fire. That comes from PFF and is directly attributable sacks.

    The whole O line gave up 13 sacks according to PFF. Does this strike you as a 13 sack O line? That sack number is flawed.
     
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    I will agree we did use use a lot of quick out 5ers (I just made a word, which actually sounds sorta British haha), some of it was protection but I would also say a majority of them is because that is what the scheme is for Kliff's type of offense which relies on a lot of run after the catch yards... well in a perfect world, our WRs are suppose to get yards after the catch lol
     
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    Some of it is but you only have to look at those aDot numbers to see what Kliff would like to do. In his very first game running the scheme how he would like the aDot is over 10. I think we finished the season with something like 6.3 if I recall.

    There's going to be a short passing game in every scheme to some extent, but for big stretches of the season we completely abandoned anything over 15 yards.

    I think our line did pretty well this year. I was pleasantly surprised. But I don't think it was good and I can see how much it effected our passing game. We need to improve it.
     
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    The idea that scheme and production are not related is funny.

    Why do you think the Saints and the Patriots line is always so good? Maybe because the scheme tasks the QB with getting the ball out quick.

    Why is Arians always struggling to protect his QB? Because his scheme asks the QB to hold the ball.

    Come on with this argument.
     
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    And to think we only have 3 months to go before the draft! Lol
     
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    So the new plan is to start

    LT - Rookie / Joshua Miles
    LG - Pugh (injury history)
    C - Shipley
    RG - Sweezy
    RT - Murray

    ...can't imagine what could go wrong with that group and how it might impact Kyler Murray's development...
     
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    None of that is what I said.

    I said we had to change scheme to accommodate the O line. In other words Kliff had to abandon what he wanted to do for what a the O line could cope with.

    Do you think this O line is good?
     

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