The Final Straw: Please Fire Ossenfort Now.

[Stout]

Don’t forget the stellar and immaculate construction of our defensive personnel.

But I want to forget.

 

[WisconsinCard]

They set our win total at 3.5? Damn! I am betting the under for sure.

I bet the under at 4.5. I feel good about it. But I would rather lose the bet for sure. So I'll be rooting against my money come week 1.

 

[Chopper0080]

They set our win total at 3.5? Damn! I am betting the under for sure.

I just found this line. All I was seeing was 4.5. Thanks. I bet the o3.5 wins.

 

[Chopper0080]

I mean, we play the Giants, Commanders, Jets, Saints and Raiders. Just have to win 4 of those 5.

 

[ajcardfan]

I just found this line. All I was seeing was 4.5. Thanks. I bet the o3.5 wins.

Betting the opposite of me is traditionally a terrific strategy.

 

[Phrazbit]

Betting the opposite of me is traditionally a terrific strategy.

Costanza?

 

[Sandan]

A lot of people are saying it.

You’re hearing it more and more.

You are correct lots of people are syaing it, particularly in here.

That doesn't make it a fact

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

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[Stout]

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If he's still around after the season, WTF are we even doing.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

If he's still around after the season, WTF are we even doing.

He needs to go

But then we have remember that MB will be selecting the next one

Hopefully ML has some input or some people to throw their hat in the ring

 

[some dumb guy]

He needs to go

But then we have remember that MB will be selecting the next one

Hopefully ML has some input or some people to throw their hat in the ring

Maybe we should hire some young kid right out of high school that really likes using AI.......















I just wanted to see Stout's response....LOLOLOL

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Maybe we should hire some young kid right out of high school that really likes using AI.......















I just wanted to see Stout's response....LOLOLOL

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[Stout]

Maybe we should hire some young kid right out of high school that really likes using AI.......















I just wanted to see Stout's response....LOLOLOL

Your dead.

 

[Garthshort]

He needs to go

But then we have remember that MB will be selecting the next one

Hopefully ML has some input or some people to throw their hat in the ring

Seems like only a week ago that I was reading good things about the team. Time sure flies.

 

[football karma]

last game illustrated just how far behind this roster is

the season will be a challenge for the Cards due to QB play.

but last week: it was back up QB vs back up QB. and the results speak for themselves

quick mental exercise: what units of the Cards (o-line, d-line, secondary, etc) are top 10 in the NFL? what units are better than average (top half of NFL)?

its hard to find one.

 

[Chopper0080]

last game illustrated just how far behind this roster is

the season will be a challenge for the Cards due to QB play.

but last week: it was back up QB vs back up QB. and the results speak for themselves

quick mental exercise: what units of the Cards (o-line, d-line, secondary, etc) are top 10 in the NFL? what units are better than average (top half of NFL)?

its hard to find one.

IMO this requires some context. How far behind whom? Seattle? Yes. Way behind. The majority of the league...probably a lot less.

 

[football karma]

IMO this requires some context. How far behind whom? Seattle? Yes. Way behind. The majority of the league...probably a lot less.

I think "majority" is the wrong comparator

the standard is "playoffs" -- which is a fairly reasonable standard given that 43% of the conference makes the playoffs --

the other 21 starters aside from the QB at this point in the rebuild ought to be way closer than they are

maybe this is recency influencing me -- and maybe the game vs the Giants will be a decent test --

but it sure seems like the roster should be in a way better spot right now

 

[phillycard]

I mean, we play the Giants, Commanders, Jets, Saints and Raiders. Just have to win 4 of those 5.

That Saints game is getting iffier by the week. I'm legit scared.

 

[Chopper0080]

That Saints game is getting iffier by the week. I'm legit scared.

Meh. I tend to think most teams are closer than fans think they are. I dont see a huge difference between them.

 

[Chopper0080]

I think "majority" is the wrong comparator

the standard is "playoffs" -- which is a fairly reasonable standard given that 43% of the conference makes the playoffs --

the other 21 starters aside from the QB at this point in the rebuild ought to be way closer than they are

maybe this is recency influencing me -- and maybe the game vs the Giants will be a decent test --

but it sure seems like the roster should be in a way better spot right now

Monti is awful. He has failed in his tenure to significantly improve the roster. IMO, there shouldnt be a debate on that. I just dont use the game vs Seattle as a barometer like you indicated.

 

[SunsTzu]

Maybe we should hire some young kid right out of high school that really likes using AI.......















I just wanted to see Stout's response....LOLOLOL

Based on their schedule release video I think he is already part of the org.

 

[Linderbee]

Your dead.

I LOVE a good call-back joke. Well done!

 

[Linderbee]

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They'd do a better job, to be honest, and one of them is dead.

 

[SoonerLou]

Monti Derangement Syndrome

 

[GimmedaBall]

Here’s the link for a great website should you want to take a deep dive into NFL stats (and other sports as well). Their ‘Search’ box will answer your questions with in-depth stats (looks like they are using AI).

StatVault — the free sports encyclopedia: 65,000+ player careers across NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL and MLS

65,664 player careers across NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL and MLS, 1876–2026. Sourced, gap-honest, and free.

statvault.org

For the question ‘How many draft picks last for four years in the NFL?”

Definition of a Four-Year Career (Based on Games Played): A full 17-game season × 4 seasons = 68 games.

Average Career Length by Draft Round

Round 1: 62.3 games → approx. 3.7 seasons
Round 2: 56.3 games → approx. 3.3 seasons
Round 3: 48.1 games → approx. 2.8 seasons
Round 4: 44.4 games → approx. 2.6 seasons
Round 5: 40.5 games → approx. 2.4 seasons
Round 6: 32.5 games → approx. 1.9 seasons
Round 7: 28.1 games → approx. 1.7 seasons

Only first-round picks approach the four-year mark on average, but even they fall slightly short of a full four 17-game seasons (62.3 < 68).

The vast majority of NFL draft picks do not reach the equivalent of four full seasons in games played. Therefore, the proportion of players with at least four seasons worth of games (~68+ games) is relatively small and concentrated among higher draft picks (typically 1st round, and rarely top 2–3 picks depending on longevity).

According to StatVault-based career data:
Most draft picks have careers shorter than four full 17-game seasons.
Only a small fraction of early-round picks (primarily first-round selections) play four or more seasons' worth of games in the NFL.

Precise totals by player are trackable in the StatVault/NCAA dataset spreadsheet, which lists career games per individual draft pick from 2012 to 2021.

For the question ‘What is the success rate for each NFL team for draft picks’, Statvault provided the following table:

StatVault — The Sports Data Encyclopedia

Every NFL player in history + 2,500+ NBA players with advanced stats — free, sourced, and verified. Plus Knox, the player-rating intelligence layer.

statvault.org

Note that the Cards are at #9 going back to 1979. Top grades are only at ‘C’ showing how much of a gamble the draft is.

As to MO as our GM, the stats don’t lie and verify the complaints on this forum. According to another great website ‘Sticktothemodel’

Monti Ossenfort Draft History and Grades | Every Pick Graded

Monti Ossenfort's NFL draft record, 2023-2025: 28 picks, 7 starters, 4 busts, -15.6 value per pick vs league -7.6. By position, best and worst, every pick.

sticktothemodel.com

From that data:

Monti Ossenfort’s draft success rate is 23% — meaning 7 of his 28 picks have become starters — which is well below the league average of 40% (that 40% is from the StatVault data---MO's tenure is pulling down that grade!).

According to Every Pick Graded, Ossenfort has made 28 draft picks since taking over the Cardinals in 2023. Of those:

7 picks have become starters (25% starter rate, league average 31%)

4 picks have been classified as busts (36% bust rate, league average 31%)

23% hit rate overall, compared to the NFL average of 40%

His Draft Value Added (DVA) per pick is -15.6, which is significantly worse than the league average of -7.6

This indicates that, on average, his picks have underperformed relative to their draft slot.

Positional breakdown:

Best: Wide receivers (+11.4 DVA/pick on 3 picks) and offensive linemen (+7.0 DVA/pick on 5 picks)

Worst: Defensive ends (-25.8 DVA/pick on 3 picks)

Example picks:

Best value: Denzel Burke (CB, R5, 2025) +31 DVA

Worst value: BJ Ojulari (DE, R2, 2023) -62 DVA

In short, Ossenfort’s Cardinals draft record shows a 23% hit rate and 7/28 starters, both below league norms, with notable struggles in certain positions like defensive end.