The cap in reality

[Camshaft]

Our cap is 17.4 after the future rookies amounts are applied. Since we haven't added our erfa and rfa we can probably subtract another 1.4 mil, that leaves 16.0 mil. By the start of Sept. we go from 51 to the full 53 active players, subtract another mil. Subtract another 1.4 for the practice squad and you have 13.6 mil. Subtract another 5 mil for injuries reserve and you have 8.6 mil of cap to play with for free agency. You might be able to get McCown for that.

Who should we trade or give the boot to in order to become real players in free agency?

 

[cardncubfan]

That cap is expected to be at least $179 million this year. Maybe higher.

 

[Proximo]

Definitely going to be cut
Matheiu
Iupati
Gresham

Possible cuts / restructure
Bucannon
Veldheer
B. Williams

Look, our Roster is in sad shape. It really is.

I see 19 players I even want on the roster. We are looking at a complete rebuild.

We do not have nearly enough cap room / picks to get this roster anywhere near where it needs to be this season.

 

[wa52lz]

Definitely going to be cut
Matheiu
Iupati
Gresham

Possible cuts / restructure
Bucannon
Veldheer
B. Williams

Look, our Roster is in sad shape. It really is.

I see 19 players I even want on the roster. We are looking at a complete rebuild.

We do not have nearly enough cap room / picks to get this roster anywhere near where it needs to be this season.

Gresham cant be cut his dead money would be more then the cap hit for this year

 

[Proximo]

Gresham cant be cut his dead money would be more then the cap hit for this year

Well that is fantastic. What a horrible signing.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Our cap is 17.4 after the future rookies amounts are applied. Since we haven't added our erfa and rfa we can probably subtract another 1.4 mil, that leaves 16.0 mil. By the start of Sept. we go from 51 to the full 53 active players, subtract another mil. Subtract another 1.4 for the practice squad and you have 13.6 mil. Subtract another 5 mil for injuries reserve and you have 8.6 mil of cap to play with for free agency. You might be able to get McCown for that.

Who should we trade or give the boot to in order to become real players in free agency?

If we cut Mathieu it will be a designated June 1st. The Cardinals cannot use that money for free agency but it will get him off the roster and avoid the roster bonus he is due.

That 11 million saved can be used for the rookies, and any other post June 1st expenses.

As for cuts:
Iupati - 6.3 mil in savings
Dawson - 3.0 mil
Mauro - 2.8 mil
A.Peterson - 2.8 mil
------------------------------
Total - 14.9 mil savings (4.4 Dead Money)

Again, the Rookies (4.8mil) + (1.4mil) P.S. + (5mil) injuries totals 11.4, and 11 million of that will be paid for by cutting Mathieu post-June 1st, leaving 400k to worry about.

Current Cap Room = 22.2mil + Cuts above = 14.9mil - 1.4mil RFA - .4mil see above = 35.3 million for free agency.

You can add another 8.8 million (with no dead money) at most for Bucanon who will have to restructure his contract or get cut as well. Which would bring the cap to 44.1 million.

The Cardinals have plenty of cap room for whatever they want to do, IMHO.

Heck, looking toward 2019, even with the dead money above, you take Fitzgerald and Palmer's Dead Money off the books ,and you are starting with 18 million.

Not as dire straights as it looks.

It is cool that the Browns and teams like the Browns have a lot of cap room, but they always do......and for good reason.

 

[Camshaft]

Rugby, I agree with you on Dawson, Mauro, and Peterson. I can't see Iupati go until we get a replacement.

I wish I had your optimism. Your info comes from OTC, but OTC has slipped up. Both OTC and Sportrac slip up every now and then. According to Sportrac, the 5 mil roster bonus and 13.5 mil of additional salary guarantee go into effect 3-14-18. This make it cost prohibitive to release Tyronne. You can trade him after June 1 and save 6 mil but who would want him with such a ridiculous contract. I think we'll release him before March 14 and save 4.8 mil.

This time OTC is mistaken, Sportrac material is more correct presently.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Rugby, I agree with you on Dawson, Mauro, and Peterson. I can't see Iupati go until we get a replacement.

I wish I had your optimism. Your info comes from OTC, but OTC has slipped up. Both OTC and Sportrac slip up every now and then. According to Sportrac, the 5 mil roster bonus and 13.5 mil of additional salary guarantee go into effect 3-14-18. This make it cost prohibitive to release Tyronne. You can trade him after June 1 and save 6 mil but who would want him with such a ridiculous contract. I think we'll release him before March 14 and save 4.8 mil.

This time OTC is mistaken, Sportrac material is more correct presently.

It is not really optimism as it is that I have been following NFL offseaons for a long time.

Being in the front office for a professional sports team is a thankless job. You do not sign a guy, you are cheap, you sign a guy, and its the wrong guy, any move made has just as many detractors as supporters, etc., etc. etc.

All I can say is that this current version of the Cardinals in the NFL, is far removed from the "Same ol' Cardinals". There is not too much I see the Cardinals doing that is completely clueless management of the team.

To be fair, whether it be a bad decision, or just bad luck, this organization has been dealing with some crazy negatives. Just the unexpected losses of John Brown, Michael Floyd, and Tyrann Mathieu are enough to tank most teams. Heck, throw in Daryl Washington, and Carson Palmer getting hurt twice. Those are tough situations to overcome.

The best way I describe the Cardinals situation is they are current at par for the course. They have made some mistakes, but they have also accomplished a lot in the face of a lot of adversity.

Michael Bidwill and Steve Keim did pretty good with Bruce Arians, now it is time to see if they learned anything from their first cycle as owner and GM in the NFL. Keep in mind their first time doing this together ended up with a very competitive team that, at worst, went 7-8-1.

 

[Zeno]

If we cut Mathieu it will be a designated June 1st. The Cardinals cannot use that money for free agency but it will get him off the roster and avoid the roster bonus he is due.

Would that even make sense in that case? He would get his roster bonus as June 1st is after the date he will have that bonus hit and that is guaranteed money.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Would that even make sense in that case? He would get his roster bonus as June 1st is after the date he will have that bonus hit and that is guaranteed money.

I am not 100% sure, but in the situation where there is a cut designated as June 1st, that player who is cut, can then go out and partake in free agency.

Thus the player is "off the roster" and is not due said roster bonus.

While the 11 million freed up doesn't help free agency, as noted above, it can pay for the post June 1st expenses that come up.

Again, I am not 100% sure on all that.

 

[oaken1]

Would that even make sense in that case? He would get his roster bonus as June 1st is after the date he will have that bonus hit and that is guaranteed money.

the team is allowed (I Think its one player)to cut a guy in March and "Designate" him as a June 1 cut for cap purposes.
Rather or not they do that for Tyrann depends on their FA plans. If the release him out right then we get our small cap relief and eat lots of dead money... if they designate him as a post June 1... we get much bigger cap relief, but the dead money is spread between this year and next.
personally,... I think if they let him go it will be straight up and we just eat the dead money this year. SK has shown that he likes to keep a healthy cap...and you dont do that by carrying dead money over multiple years

 

[Zeno]

the team is allowed (I Think its one player)to cut a guy in March and "Designate" him as a June 1 cut for cap purposes.
Rather or not they do that for Tyrann depends on their FA plans. If the release him out right then we get our small cap relief and eat lots of dead money... if they designate him as a post June 1... we get much bigger cap relief, but the dead money is spread between this year and next.
personally,... I think if they let him go it will be straight up and we just eat the dead money this year. SK has shown that he likes to keep a healthy cap...and you dont do that by carrying dead money over multiple years

I understand that but when it comes to roster bonus nobody has shown me a clear answer of if he designated a June 1st cut he is technically still counting against the cap on the day designated for a his bonus--which in this case is the first day of the league year, does he still get his bonus? if that is the case making him a June 1 cut makes no sense financially or cap-wise.

 

[oaken1]

I understand that but when it comes to roster bonus nobody has shown me a clear answer of if he designated a June 1st cut he is technically still counting against the cap on the day designated for a his bonus--which in this case is the first day of the league year, does he still get his bonus? if that is the case making him a June 1 cut makes no sense financially or cap-wise.

while I have not seen it in writing either... one would assume that you have to be on the roster to get a roster bonus...and if cut, he would no longer be on the roster.
plus...even if designated, he is free to pursue free agency which also indicates he is no longer on the roster... but I agree that it can be hard to find information on the details when it comes to cap management and implications.

 

[Zeno]

while I have not seen it in writing either... one would assume that you have to be on the roster to get a roster bonus...and if cut, he would no longer be on the roster.
plus...even if designated, he is free to pursue free agency which also indicates he is no longer on the roster... but I agree that it can be hard to find information on the details when it comes to cap management and implications.

The only thing I could find was on Sportrac, not sure how accurate it is but it appears if he is designated a Post 6/1 Cut he would count more money against the cap than he would being cut prior to March 14 in fact it appears he would cost more to cut than keep if that was the case.

It says this--
Pre-6/1 Release
Today → 03/14/2018
2018 Dead Cap: $9,300,000
2018 Cap Savings: $4,800,0000

3/14/2018 → 03/16/2018
2018 Dead Cap: $15,050,000
2018 Cap Savings: $-950,0000

3/16/2018 → 6/1/2018
2018 Dead Cap: $20,050,000
2018 Cap Savings: $-5,950,000

Pre-6/1 Trade
Today → 03/16/2018
2018 Dead Cap: $9,300,000
2018 Cap Savings: $4,800,000

Post-6/1 Release
2018 Dead Cap: $21,850,000
2019 Dead Cap: $6,200,000
2018 Cap Savings: $-7,750,000

Post-6/1 Trade
2018 Dead Cap: $8,100,000
2019 Dead Cap: $6,200,000
2018 Cap Savings: $6,000,000

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/arizona-cardinals/tyrann-mathieu-12350/

 

[oaken1]

The only thing I could find was on Sportrac, not sure how accurate it is but it appears if he is designated a Post 6/1 Cut he would count more money against the cap than he would being cut prior to March 14 in fact it appears he would cost more to cut than keep if that was the case.

It says this--
Pre-6/1 Release
Today → 03/14/2018
2018 Dead Cap: $9,300,000
2018 Cap Savings: $4,800,0000

3/14/2018 → 03/16/2018
2018 Dead Cap: $15,050,000
2018 Cap Savings: $-950,0000

3/16/2018 → 6/1/2018
2018 Dead Cap: $20,050,000
2018 Cap Savings: $-5,950,000

Pre-6/1 Trade
Today → 03/16/2018
2018 Dead Cap: $9,300,000
2018 Cap Savings: $4,800,000

Post-6/1 Release
2018 Dead Cap: $21,850,000
2019 Dead Cap: $6,200,000
2018 Cap Savings: $-7,750,000

Post-6/1 Trade
2018 Dead Cap: $8,100,000
2019 Dead Cap: $6,200,000
2018 Cap Savings: $6,000,000

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/arizona-cardinals/tyrann-mathieu-12350/

Looks like that is not taking into consideration the "designation" of post june 1... because those numbers are as if we paid the roster bonus and actually didnt cut him til june.

This guy has some examples and quotes from the CBA that help to understand it.

https://www.thephinsider.com/2015/2/18/8057333/nfl-free-agency-201-post-june-cuts-explanation

 

[RugbyMuffin]

JoeSchmo has forsaken us all, that is all I have to say.