The 26-27 Arizona Cardinals Regular Season Thread.

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[Garthshort]

Even if Jacoby is playing well, I'm wondering when will Carson Beck play? Because of playing in the West and with all indications, playing a tough sked, no matter how well JB plays, I doubt we'll be talking playoffs. So, at some point we have to find out if CB is our QB of the future. Would two games be enough?

 

[kerouac9]

So, at some point we have to find out if CB is our QB of the future

We do not

 

[schutd]

We do not

Agreed. Can you see a scenario where an untested Beck on the roster absolutely does NOT prevent the Cardinals from drafting a QB1 with their seemingly-to-be high draft pick next year, and then letting the pick and Beck battle it out? Thats the most logical to me.

If CB somehow wins, you have a nice problem. Two highly touted QBs to play with. I understand the people thinking every 3rd round draft pick "needs to contribute, NOW" especially on a bad team, but the numbers dont back that belief up. Swinging in the 3rd for a potential QB1 is a good swing IMO, even if you dont like the pick, someone does. Let it rip.

 

[football karma]

We do not

if we get to the end of the season, and Beck has had no material run -- says one of a few things:

Jacoby was quite good / the team was in the hunt
Beck was bad in practice
Beck was injured

if its the first -- they wont be in a position to draft a qb

if its the latter -- that wont stop them

too many QBs that can play is the easiest problem to solve in the NFL

 

[Garthshort]

Agreed. Can you see a scenario where an untested Beck on the roster absolutely does NOT prevent the Cardinals from drafting a QB1 with their seemingly-to-be high draft pick next year, and then letting the pick and Beck battle it out? Thats the most logical to me.

If CB somehow wins, you have a nice problem. Two highly touted QBs to play with. I understand the people thinking every 3rd round draft pick "needs to contribute, NOW" especially on a bad team, but the numbers dont back that belief up. Swinging in the 3rd for a potential QB1 is a good swing IMO, even if you dont like the pick, someone does. Let it rip.

And, once again we pass up an opportunity to draft a top defensive player. Or possibly trade back for extra picks. So much, for improving our Defense. As someone once said, "If you have two QB's, you don't have a QB."

 

[kerouac9]

If Jacoby is on pace to pass for 3800 yards and the cards are in the top half of the league on offense, they’re not going to bench him if we’re 2-10 because Rallis can’t stop anyone.

Brissett got benched after 5 games in New England because he was pacing for a 2800 yard season.

 

[kerouac9]

Swinging in the 3rd for a potential QB1 is a good swing IMO, even if you dont like the pick, someone does. Let it rip.

I don’t even think this has to be a hit/miss proposition. If Beck is a long-term #2 QB that provides more value than we got from BJ Ojulari or Trey Benson or Elijah Jones.

 

[Stout]

Agreed. Can you see a scenario where an untested Beck on the roster absolutely does NOT prevent the Cardinals from drafting a QB1 with their seemingly-to-be high draft pick next year, and then letting the pick and Beck battle it out? Thats the most logical to me.

If CB somehow wins, you have a nice problem. Two highly touted QBs to play with. I understand the people thinking every 3rd round draft pick "needs to contribute, NOW" especially on a bad team, but the numbers dont back that belief up. Swinging in the 3rd for a potential QB1 is a good swing IMO, even if you dont like the pick, someone does. Let it rip.

Unfortunately, yes, I can see that scenario. I could envisage Monti deciding to roll with Beck, draft another premium position, and consider it as a kind of 2 for 1 deal. Idiotic from my POV, but believable.

 

[BirdGangThing]

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[abcard]

Hopefully the Cards would do what Steelers did in 1969 and 1970 when they drafted qb Hanratty in 2nd round and next year drafted Bradshaw in 1st round. I doubt it through.

 

[Chopper0080]

And, once again we pass up an opportunity to draft a top defensive player. Or possibly trade back for extra picks. So much, for improving our Defense. As someone once said, "If you have two QB's, you don't have a QB."

Passing on a top defensive player and taking a swing at a QB in round 1 of the draft next year while having Beck on the roster is far more excusable and palatable than passing on a top defensive player and taking a RB in round 1 this year.

Also, there are several other ways to improve defensive personnel than using a first round draft pick.

 

[kerouac9]

Passing on a top defensive player and taking a swing at a QB in round 1 of the draft next year while having Beck on the roster is far more excusable and palatable than passing on a top defensive player and taking a RB in round 1 this year.

Also, there are several other ways to improve defensive personnel than using a first round draft pick.

It’s also much more likely that you can find a very good Edge later in the draft than you’ll find at other positions.

 

[Garthshort]

Passing on a top defensive player and taking a swing at a QB in round 1 of the draft next year while having Beck on the roster is far more excusable and palatable than passing on a top defensive player and taking a RB in round 1 this year.

Also, there are several other ways to improve defensive personnel than using a first round draft pick.

But, I keep thinking of Aaron Donald.

 

[kerouac9]

But, I keep thinking of Aaron Donald.

Aaron Donald was selected 13th overall. JJ Watt was selected 11th overall. TJ Watt was selected 30th overall.

 

[Garthshort]

All first round draft picks. Add in, Walter Nolen.

 

[PDXChris]

Hang on. I was absent for the board for almost two weeks. Do we seriously have our star, high draft pick RB and our only other option to start at RG not practicing heading into game week? WTF happened while I was gone? And WTF, Will Johnson? Maybe he wasn't the banger pick we thought, although I'll still defend it as a nice swing by Monti.

Technically, the Tuesday injury report will be the first report that counts for game week. This week is a light work week and I doubt there is much padded practice happening.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

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$21 for a churro?

 

[BirdGangThing]

$21 for a churro?

atleast that was during dinner - someone ordered 2 buttercakes to go lol

 

[AZ Native]

$21 for a churro?

That $166 Admin fee and auto $500 tip...

 

[schutd]

Unfortunately, yes, I can see that scenario. I could envisage Monti deciding to roll with Beck, draft another premium position, and consider it as a kind of 2 for 1 deal. Idiotic from my POV, but believable.

thats certainly an option as well. Not one I'd advocate for....

 

[kerouac9]

thats certainly an option as well. Not one I'd advocate for....

I’d be fine with it if it’s Will Anderson instead of CJ Stroud, Bryce Young, or Anthony Richardson.

 

[oaken1]

Even if Jacoby is playing well, I'm wondering when will Carson Beck play? Because of playing in the West and with all indications, playing a tough sked, no matter how well JB plays, I doubt we'll be talking playoffs. So, at some point we have to find out if CB is our QB of the future. Would two games be enough?

from "MY" perspective...I.E., as Joe fan
.. If Jacoby is leading the team to wins, then Carson Beck never sees the field..draft be damned,...winning comes first.
If we are "Unfortunate enough" to not know who he is come draft day... then if we are in position to grab a QB we go ahead and do that...then just hope one of them turns into good trade bait..otherwise we grab an OT, or a pass rusher(which there should be several of)...
I want Beck to play so we can see if we are backed into a corner on drafting a QB or not... but the goal is to win,..to make the playoffs,..to get a shot at a Super Bowl,...and if JB has us on track for that then future be damned,...because winning right now is the objective and we havent seen so many playoff runs that we can afford to throw one away.

in an ideal world....JB has us on track..maybe we are like 6-2... but then JB sprains a finger or something..so Beck comes in...but holy crap, the dude is a natural!!...and then 5 weeks later, we have a legit QB controversy...and Beck does the unthinkable and takes us to the NFCC Game where we lose a heartbreaker 42-45 to somebody thats not Seattle or the Rams...and next april Monti trades for a high pick and we get a pass rusher that goes on to average 18 sacks a season over the next 12 years....

but I digress.....

 

[oaken1]

$21 for a churro?

holy crap!!!
what kinda place is so damn fancy they feel they are justified in charging 21 bucks for a 2 dollar churro?? Then, their feces is so aromatic the can bill you 166 bucks for their damned administration fees??

Thats ridiculous... what the hell do they charge for parking?? Is the wait staff nude?
are free cubanos in the side lounge included with the meal?

 

[oaken1]

Even if Jacoby is playing well, I'm wondering when will Carson Beck play? Because of playing in the West and with all indications, playing a tough sked, no matter how well JB plays, I doubt we'll be talking playoffs. So, at some point we have to find out if CB is our QB of the future. Would two games be enough?

our worst case scenario Garth, in my opinion, is for Beck to play 2 or 3 games and play really well.

why?
Because it usually takes NFL coordinators about 4 games of tape before they start building game plans to counter said QB... then we need a few games to see if that QB can adjust to the counters and still be effective...so we need 6 to 8 games of Beck to know if he is the guy...in my opinion of course.

But if he only gets 2 or 3 games Im still drafting a QB in april regardless of how he looks... the batch is too good to pass up when we still have questions