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Arguably when we had Barkley the best player in the league was Jordan. But really not by a whole lot. You look at the numbers Barkley has put up in play off games and the guy is probably in the top ten all time of guys who did not win a title. I look back at that stats and timely buckets where he literally willed the Suns to victories on teams with less talent than opposing squads. Whether you liked his antics off the court or not, he could ball!

So arguably everyone is on Lebron's bandwagon because of the title win. But guys like Kawhi Leonard and Giannis Antetokounmpo, even Luka Doncic may be better players right now because of their youth and athleticism. They just weren't on a stacked Lakers team. Sometimes coaching comes into play too. Those Bulls, and San Antonio teams that won titles, how can you not say coaching was a major factor?

Leonard wasn’t on a stacked team? Come on. That’s a laugh. That was one of the most talented teams I’ve seen in years. And this season Leonard crapped the bed when the pressure was on. Leonard also had Doc who’s a well respected coach by e everyone. So, for at least this season, I have a hard time saying Kawhi was better than LeBron.

also, the idea that this was a stacked Lakers team doesn’t hold much water for me. It was a team of two GREAT stars than a collection of cast offs and knuckleheads who fell off a cliff players 3-8.

As far as Giannis v. LeBron... well, Giannis has led his team to crap the bed the last two seasons, losing as heavy favorites and as great as he is on both sides of the court, can’t make a crunch time play on offense to save his life. Before people start elevating him over LeBron, doesn’t he need to elevate his own team into the finals at least once especially considering he’s in the East and they’ve been favored? He’s also getting coached by a two-time Coach Of The Year.

with Luka... Luka is an offensive force to be reckoned with but is sieve defensively. LeBron matches Luka’s offense but blows away his D.
 

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Arguably when we had Barkley the best player in the league was Jordan. But really not by a whole lot. You look at the numbers Barkley has put up in play off games and the guy is probably in the top ten all time of guys who did not win a title. I look back at that stats and timely buckets where he literally willed the Suns to victories on teams with less talent than opposing squads. Whether you liked his antics off the court or not, he could ball!

So arguably everyone is on Lebron's bandwagon because of the title win. But guys like Kawhi Leonard and Giannis Antetokounmpo, even Luka Doncic may be better players right now because of their youth and athleticism. They just weren't on a stacked Lakers team. Sometimes coaching comes into play too. Those Bulls, and San Antonio teams that won titles, how can you not say coaching was a major factor?

Rondo, Morris, Howard, Caruso and Pope are now considered a stacked team? Lol that’s a huge reach. Need to watch more basketball buddy.
 

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Arguably when we had Barkley the best player in the league was Jordan. But really not by a whole lot. You look at the numbers Barkley has put up in play off games and the guy is probably in the top ten all time of guys who did not win a title. I look back at that stats and timely buckets where he literally willed the Suns to victories on teams with less talent than opposing squads. Whether you liked his antics off the court or not, he could ball!

So arguably everyone is on Lebron's bandwagon because of the title win. But guys like Kawhi Leonard and Giannis Antetokounmpo, even Luka Doncic may be better players right now because of their youth and athleticism. They just weren't on a stacked Lakers team. Sometimes coaching comes into play too. Those Bulls, and San Antonio teams that won titles, how can you not say coaching was a major factor?

Barkley was great but he was nowhere near the level of Jordan, comparable numbers or not. MJ suffered from MVP voter burnout, just like Lebron has the past several years. Ask any player who is the best in the game right now and I have no doubt that almost to a person they'd say it's Lebron.
 

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Barkley was great but he was nowhere near the level of Jordan, comparable numbers or not. MJ suffered from MVP voter burnout, just like Lebron has the past several years. Ask any player who is the best in the game right now and I have no doubt that almost to a person they'd say it's Lebron.

Maybe it's bias but I'd say Barkley was as good as, if not better than, Jordan in his first year in Phoenix. He was driven like never before and it's rare to see a player so focused on carrying his team to success. His play fell off after that year, whether his stats really reflected much of a drop or not. His MVP year wasn't just voter burnout though.
 

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Maybe it's bias but I'd say Barkley was as good as, if not better than, Jordan in his first year in Phoenix. He was driven like never before and it's rare to see a player so focused on carrying his team to success. His play fell off after that year, whether his stats really reflected much of a drop or not. His MVP year wasn't just voter burnout though.

I think it's understandable but I really do believe it's the bias of an impressionable younger fan. I'm not trying to knock Barkley at all, he was one of my favorite college players ever and I was raving about him to all my college basketball fans when he was still a chubby freshman at Auburn. And he was incredible for us even though he'd already noticeably started to decline physically prior to the trade from Philly (by his own words, too).
 

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I think it's understandable but I really do believe it's the bias of an impressionable younger fan. I'm not trying to knock Barkley at all, he was one of my favorite college players ever and I was raving about him to all my college basketball fans when he was still a chubby freshman at Auburn. And he was incredible for us even though he'd already noticeably started to decline physically prior to the trade from Philly (by his own words, too).

this. And I’ll just say, as a sixteen year old kid, to this day, Barkley’s MVP Season was the greatest single season performance I’ve gotten to personally watch in its entirety. It was epic, electric, set the entire town ablaze for the Suns in a way I’d never seen and have never seen since. And his playoff performance in the first three rounds was even MORE ridiculous. But then he ran into the guy who made Barkley’s one unreal season... routine. ESPECIALLY in 1993 when Jordan was still at the peak of his powers. His defense alone vaulted him above Chuck that year and sadly, when the chips were down, Jordan showed everyone what an MVP, the greatest MVP ever IMO, was really like.

In the Finals, I think Charles averaged a very respectable 25/12/5. And by very respectable, I mean GREAT. But they were numbers that were pretty much exactly at his MVP reg season average. Jordan averaged 42/6/6, elevating from 32/5/5. Chuck couldn’t even claw one win out at home in that series. We had HCA and went 0-3. When Jordan’s entire team curled up in the fetal position in Game 6 of the 4th quarter after blowing a 9 point lead and giving us the lad, Jordan scored all 9 points of the entire team in the fourth... until Paxton’s game winner. Barkley shot once in the last six minutes... basically a missed layup after backing someone down and doin one of his little one handed push shots. he came for the King, but couldn’t match his intensity or Michael’s killer instinct when ALL the chips were down.

Nd trust me... I have close relatives in Chicago who STILL give me crap about that showdown, so all of the above pains me to say it. Probably because the truth still hurts so damn much.

The 1993 Suns were my favorite team in any sport of all time and the best team ever not to win a title. But as great as Barkley was, he was never as good as Michael. Which really isn’t saying anything bad about Chuck. It’s just saying how incredible MJ was.
 

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this. And I’ll just say, as a sixteen year old kid, to this day, Barkley’s MVP Season was the greatest single season performance I’ve gotten to personally watch in its entirety. It was epic, electric, set the entire town ablaze for the Suns in a way I’d never seen and have never seen since. And his playoff performance in the first three rounds was even MORE ridiculous. But then he ran into the guy who made Barkley’s one unreal season... routine. ESPECIALLY in 1993 when Jordan was still at the peak of his powers. His defense alone vaulted him above Chuck that year and sadly, when the chips were down, Jordan showed everyone what an MVP, the greatest MVP ever IMO, was really like.

In the Finals, I think Charles averaged a very respectable 25/12/5. And by very respectable, I mean GREAT. But they were numbers that were pretty much exactly at his MVP reg season average. Jordan averaged 42/6/6, elevating from 32/5/5. Chuck couldn’t even claw one win out at home in that series. We had HCA and went 0-3. When Jordan’s entire team curled up in the fetal position in Game 6 of the 4th quarter after blowing a 9 point lead and giving us the lad, Jordan scored all 9 points of the entire team in the fourth... until Paxton’s game winner. Barkley shot once in the last six minutes... basically a missed layup after backing someone down and doin one of his little one handed push shots. he came for the King, but couldn’t match his intensity or Michael’s killer instinct when ALL the chips were down.

Nd trust me... I have close relatives in Chicago who STILL give me crap about that showdown, so all of the above pains me to say it. Probably because the truth still hurts so damn much.

The 1993 Suns were my favorite team in any sport of all time and the best team ever not to win a title. But as great as Barkley was, he was never as good as Michael. Which really isn’t saying anything bad about Chuck. It’s just saying how incredible MJ was.
That's the way I look at Ali! In the seventies the heavyweight division had guys that would have been champions if they had been born in a different decade than Ali. Chuck just played in the wong decade. 5-7 years later maybe he would have won Championships on whatever team he was on. Ali beat guys that would be Heavy Weight Champs today easily. They just happned to be around when Ali was boxing.
 

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That should be denied. His contract was always an albatross. If you acquired it you knew full well what it meant. Shouldn’t be allowed to wriggle out of the foreseen consequences.
 
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