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WTF?! They are already setting up for a cap-choking Pupu platter of fine-middling players to replace Ayton’s would be salary in the coming years.

This stinks of the old Pennywise, pound foolish crap that defined the Suns for over a decade.
 

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It all depends on the deal. If we can get him for 2-3 years at around $5-6 million then he can be easily used as salary filler in a larger trade while not hamstringing the cap. It adds to the roster continuity James Jones values. I see no real downside to it because he's a quality player with a fairly important role off the bench.

It wouldn't be that difficult to replace him and his production, I think it's better that we have him here and not worry about spending our limited resources replacing him going forward. If we're a tax paying team then the MLE is cut by about 40%, leaving us with $5.9 million to spend outside of minimum deals to address holes on the bench. That is really just enough for 1 rotation player which will likely be needed to replace JaVale McGee next summer.

Shamet was in extension talks prior to news of Ayton's extension being difficult. It shouldn't be viewed as spending Ayton's money elsewhere but solidifying our 2nd unit. Having him on a good contract is more beneficial to the Suns future than letting him walk after the season for nothing.

Well, the contract isn’t anything near 2 or 3 years at 5-6 million. It’s a 4 year deal for over 43 million.

That’s a gross overpay, IMO.
 

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WTF?! They are already setting up for a cap-choking platter of fine-middling players to replace Ayton’s would be salary.

This stinks of the old Pennywise, pound foolish crap that defined the Suns for over a decade.
This is hilarious considering they broke off talks with Ayton's team.
 

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Well, the contract isn’t anything near 2 or 3 years at 5-6 million. It’s a 4 year deal for over 43 million.

That’s a gross overpay, IMO.

I agree it's an overpay. When I heard talk of him resigning it was around $5-6 in most reports. I saw 8 million once but thought that was a bit too much. I like Shamet but for more than the MLE doesn't make sense. Should have let him hit restricted free agency and prove he can get that money. Hopefully it doesn't blow up on us.
 

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Don't you need big contracts to match up for big trades to other players? Also, in the Ayton threads, I see the comments you have to pay more to be a contender?
 

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Don't you need big contracts to match up for big trades to other players? Also, in the Ayton threads, I see the comments you have to pay more to be a contender?
Yes you do. Once you know you're going to be over the cap the more high dollar contracts you have the less limited you are by the salary cap. I doubt if that enters the picture though if Robert is still micro-managing everything. I'm not saying he is, just don't know.
 

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Don't you need big contracts to match up for big trades to other players? Also, in the Ayton threads, I see the comments you have to pay more to be a contender?

you have to pay more to the RIGHT PEOPLE. Contracts like this only choke a cap, making it more difficult to get the big star.

and this contract doesn't kick in until NEXT year so it can't be used to try and make a trade to get better this year.
 

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you have to pay more to the RIGHT PEOPLE. Contracts like this only choke a cap, making it more difficult to get the big star.

and this contract doesn't kick in until NEXT year so it can't be used to try and make a trade to get better this year.

It makes it more difficult to sign a big time free agent, it makes it easier to trade for one.
 

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yeah. because big time stars are going to be clamoring to come here?

Does Chris Paul not count? I mean, what you said kind of reinforces what Steve said. We can't sign big time free agents but we can make trades for them.

Everyone we've added by trade has been happy to be here from Chris Paul to Kelly Oubre to Landry Shamet. All of the players with value we've traded for have reupped here going back to Bledsoe. That's not to say relationships didn't change but I can't of anyone who was angry or upset we traded for them.
 

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Does Chris Paul not count? I mean, what you said kind of reinforces what Steve said. We can't sign big time free agents but we can make trades for them.

Everyone we've added by trade has been happy to be here from Chris Paul to Kelly Oubre to Landry Shamet. All of the players with value we've traded for have reupped here going back to Bledsoe. That's not to say relationships didn't change but I can't of anyone who was angry or upset we traded for them.
Free Agency signing of Ariza backfired..... I know it wasn't a trade. Austin Rivers basically refused to play for us after being traded here!
 

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Free Agency signing of Ariza backfired..... I know it wasn't a trade. Austin Rivers basically refused to play for us after being traded here!

The Ariza signing didn't work out but I wouldn't say it backfired since we were able to get Oubre for him. Ariza didn't lose value while here and we added a better player that fit with our team much better. Oubre was a young up and comer who was more valuable than Ariza by years end and we ended up getting Paul for him and Rubio.

Austin Rivers has gone back on his words a few times. Last I read is that he actually wanted to be here and was caught off guard by being waived. Of course I remember it differently when it went down but I don't think the Suns cared very much whether he wanted to be here or not, the trade was made for Kelly and Rivers was salary filler. Austin Rivers has had issues everywhere he's been and seems to be a bit of a headcase.
 

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"They have a new brand, The Valley, that’s on fire. The only thing harder to find in Phoenix than an affordable mortgage is a Devin Booker The Valley jersey on the team shop racks." - Kellen Olsen

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Things have changed since Ariza. Booker has established himself, they are winning, they have a culture that all the present players praise, they have JJ instead of McD, they have Monty, they have the best training facility in the league (Ariza complained about the training facility more than anything).
 

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Things have changed since Ariza. Booker has established himself, they are winning, they have a culture that all the present players praise, they have JJ instead of McD, they have Monty, they have the best training facility in the league (Ariza complained about the training facility more than anything).
I could live in that practice facility!!! :)
 
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