Suns @ Spurs Sunday game thread 5-16-2021 / Season Finale

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Exceeded your expectations, but that doesn't mean JJ wasn't expecting him to be the answer at backup PG.

He ultimately made the decision to bring him in and to roll with him as our primary backup and he should get credit for that.

not only that, but he brought back Carter and brought on Etwan Moore who played solid enough while Cam Payne was out and shaky for a bit.

even though I wanted Halliburton for long term PG needs, saying JJ didn’t take care of back up PG doesn’t make much sense to me with Payne, Carter and Moore on the bench.
 

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Cam Payne mows Montes lawn every two weeks. He aint goin anywhere. It was Montes loyalty that brought him back.

I wouldn't put it past Monte to say go on young buck get yer money and give his blessing.

But Cam has drunk that yummy Phoenix coolaid he's onboard and bucking for a possible promotion when CP3 leaves, if he improves his game.
 

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I think almost everyone was fine with Cam Payne as the backup point guard but most fans wanted insurance if Payne faltered. When the passed on Haliburton I was shocked because I thought he was that insurance.

if they had drafted Halliburton everybody would have assumed he would have been the back up not Payne.
 

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Yes I understand that but let’s not act like everybody was happy with this choice to start the season because that’s not how it happened.

Payne has bailed out JJ and exceeded everyone’s expectations and good for him.

I think the big concern about not having a backup PG was at the trade deadline the year before. Watching Payne in the bubble I think most of us thought we had our backup problem solved.

if they had drafted Halliburton everybody would have assumed he would have been the back up not Payne.

No I think many of us would have assumed he was the PG of the future, backing up Payne for a season or two for grooming. I know I was far more concerned about getting another big man than I was a PG with or without the CP trade.
 

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if they had drafted Halliburton everybody would have assumed he would have been the back up not Payne.

So? They didn't draft him. Payne is the back-up PG and has done a great job as that virtually all season. I don't see how JJ believing he could fill that role deserves second guessing or backhanded compliments.
 

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Halliburton Smaliburton he's too small to play like he does, and now he's hurt just like Jamal Murry just like Ja will be soon. Not wishing injuries on anyone but that playstyle eats up ACLs on those skinny legged kids. Plus Stix showed me something tonight. Monte and JJ know what they want, and its working. Wouldn't you say?
 

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I think the big concern about not having a backup PG was at the trade deadline the year before. Watching Payne in the bubble I think most of us thought we had our backup problem solved.



No I think many of us would have assumed he was the PG of the future, backing up Payne for a season or two for grooming. I know I was far more concerned about getting another big man than I was a PG with or without the CP trade.

so everybody here was pissed we didn’t draft a guy who would have been a 3rd strong point guard this year


Right.
 

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so everybody here was pissed we didn’t draft a guy who would have been a 3rd strong point guard this year


Right.

It wasn't so much who Halliburton would be this season but who he'd be later on, taking over for CP3.

Even if people here were mad, JJ made the pick. He believed in Cam Payne and was correct. I don't why you're trying to spin this now as posters here being wrong when your initial comment, that people took exception to, was your claims of Payne bailing JJ out. JJ did his job and was proven correct in who he had penciled in as the backup PG this year.
 

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It wasn't so much who Halliburton would be this season but who he'd be later on, taking over for CP3.

Even if people here were mad, JJ made the pick. He believed in Cam Payne and was correct. I don't why you're trying to spin this now as posters here being wrong when your initial comment, that people took exception to, was your claims of Payne bailing JJ out. JJ did his job and was proven correct in who he had penciled in as the backup PG this year.

Im not trying to spin anything. This is what happens guys rewrite history as it goes when it turns out good.

If everyone was so happy with Cam Payne then why was everyone so pissed when we didn’t draft Halliburton? Don’t even for a second try and say he would of been drafted to be a 3rd string PG on this team cause that’s pure BS.

Payne has played better than anyone thought and that’s awesome and if some team wants to pay him this offseason he needs to take the money he’s earned it.

are you going to sit here and tell me James Jones thought Cam Payne would have the year he had? Of course not because if he did he would of locked him up. That’s all you need to know right there.

sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good and we got lucky with Cam Payne, but if your going to sit here and tell me at the start of the season we were going to have the season we had and Payne would be a top 5 6th man in the NBA your full of it.
 

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Im not trying to spin anything. This is what happens guys rewrite history as it goes when it turns out good.

If everyone was so happy with Cam Payne then why was everyone so pissed when we didn’t draft Halliburton? Don’t even for a second try and say he would of been drafted to be a 3rd string PG on this team cause that’s pure BS.

Payne has played better than anyone thought and that’s awesome and if some team wants to pay him this offseason he needs to take the money he’s earned it.

are you going to sit here and tell me James Jones thought Cam Payne would have the year he had? Of course not because if he did he would of locked him up. That’s all you need to know right there.

sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good and we got lucky with Cam Payne, but if your going to sit here and tell me at the start of the season we were going to have the season we had and Payne would be a top 5 6th man in the NBA your full of it.
Because they saw Haliburton as the best prospect on the board. A lot of people around here were completely fine with Payne as the backup PG.

The idea was that by drafting Haliburton we would have been set at both starter and backup for the future.
 

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Im not trying to spin anything. This is what happens guys rewrite history as it goes when it turns out good.

If everyone was so happy with Cam Payne then why was everyone so pissed when we didn’t draft Halliburton? Don’t even for a second try and say he would of been drafted to be a 3rd string PG on this team cause that’s pure BS.

Payne has played better than anyone thought and that’s awesome and if some team wants to pay him this offseason he needs to take the money he’s earned it.

are you going to sit here and tell me James Jones thought Cam Payne would have the year he had? Of course not because if he did he would of locked him up. That’s all you need to know right there.

sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good and we got lucky with Cam Payne, but if your going to sit here and tell me at the start of the season we were going to have the season we had and Payne would be a top 5 6th man in the NBA your full of it.

Payne couldn't be locked up beyond this season. He signed a 2 year deal with the second year not guaranteed. If we would have waived him, that's it. He couldn't be extended either because of the deal he signed. So JJ did what he could, let the season play out.
 

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There’s no justifying passing on Halliburton. Most of us thought it was as bad in the moment as it was in hindsight. Besides they can both play together anyways. But at this point Payne is a solid backup PG so there’s no point complaining about it.
 

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if they had drafted Halliburton everybody would have assumed he would have been the back up not Payne.

Nobody knew Haliburton would be as good as is. I would have guessed he would have been the third point guard behind Payne and insurance if he didn't play up to his performance in the bubble.

Payne's performance was superb in Orlando but he only played in 8 games. It was not a big enough sample to reliably predict how well he would play this season.

The reason many fans thought the Suns should draft Haliburton is because he was the BPA and a player to be developed for the future. Afterall, he was the 10th pick so immediate success was not assured.
 

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