Suns @ Spurs Monday game thread 11-22-2021

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TJ is a big Arizona fan. Ayton went to Arizona, Frank went to Wisconsin. Wisconsin edged Arizona (led by Frank) by the skin of their **** out of a trip to the final 4. It was a brutal defeat, probably the cruelest of the Miller era at Arizona.
This man gets it.
 

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This man gets it.
Most of us get it. Here's how I see it. College Frank Kaminsky helped knock us out of the tournament two years in a row but pro Frank Kaminsky didn't exist then so I'm okay cheering for pro Frank. Most of us got over Wisconsin Kaminsky just like we got over Santa Clara Nash.
 
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Most of us get it. Here's how I see it. College Frank Kaminsky helped knock us out of the tournament two years in a row but pro Frank Kaminsky didn't exist then so I'm okay cheering for pro Frank. Most of us got over Wisconsin Kaminsky just like we got over Santa Clara Nash.

Once a player enters the pros I don't care where they played as long as they have talent.

I liked Deandre Ayton in the draft and I wanted the Suns to trade for Aaron Gordon for the longest time.
 

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Once a player enters the pros I don't care where they played as long as they have talent.

I liked Deandre Ayton in the draft and I wanted the Suns to trade for Aaron Gordon for the longest time.
I'm mostly the same way but if I liked or disliked a player in college, I tend to feel the same way about them in the pros (for awhile anyway).

And I've also noticed that I tend to sour on a formerly liked college player quicker than I tend to move past issues I had against a former college player. So I can understand a few years of "I can't stand that guy" but I think Frank has spent enough time in UA's doghouse.
 
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I'm mostly the same way but if I liked or disliked a player in college, I tend to feel the same way about them in the pros (for awhile anyway).

And I've also noticed that I tend to sour on a formerly liked college player quicker than I tend to move past issues I had against a former college player. So I can understand a few years of "I can't stand that guy" but I think Frank has spent enough time in UA's doghouse.

Yeah, Frank seems like a genuinely good guy. This is the first time I realized you were a UofA fan.
 

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Yeah, Frank seems like a genuinely good guy. This is the first time I realized you were a UofA fan.
I have ties to both schools and support both of them although I have my favorites. I'm a diehard Sun Devil football and baseball fan and a diehard Wildcat basketball fan. In each case, the other school is my second favorite college team.
 

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Most of us get it. Here's how I see it. College Frank Kaminsky helped knock us out of the tournament two years in a row but pro Frank Kaminsky didn't exist then so I'm okay cheering for pro Frank. Most of us got over Wisconsin Kaminsky just like we got over Santa Clara Nash.
I am an ASU fan, so Frank's a bonus in my book. But I am not so much of an ASU fan that it translates to being a Harden fan. There are other factors than just alma mater that matter to me.
 

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starting to see things from Ayton on offense that I’ve been waiting for for a couple years. He’s starting to seal smaller guys with more regularity. He is that one play on the elbow where he started to drive, got stopped, did a fake one way and rise for an open hook for a bucket and FINALLY made himself an option on the play at the FT line with the fake handoff to Book and take to the basket.

If he can keep making strides there this offense becomes unstoppable... able to play multiple styles and go to something when 3s aren’t falling.
 

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The offensive skill separating DA from someone like Giannis or AD is his ballhandling (well, that and the mental drive/focus). If he can continue to build on that and become more comfortable handling the ball for more than a single dribble without turning it over it would open up his game so much more.
 

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I am an ASU fan, so Frank's a bonus in my book. But I am not so much of an ASU fan that it translates to being a Harden fan. There are other factors than just alma mater that matter to me.
I was a Harden fan his first couple years but I really soured on him, especially when he became Loophole Harden.
 

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The offensive skill separating DA from someone like Giannis or AD is his ballhandling (well, that and the mental drive/focus). If he can continue to build on that and become more comfortable handling the ball for more than a single dribble without turning it over it would open up his game so much more.

The aggression is miles apart also tho. Giannis wants to CRUSH people on his drives, throwing the ball down with authority or at least going up to which is why he draws the fouls Ayton doesnt.

Even in the nice fake handoff to Book at the FT, he still went up so soft before getting fouled. Ended up missing 1 of the FTs when if he was really aggressive, he would have flushed that ball on the defenders head.
 

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The aggression is miles apart also tho. Giannis wants to CRUSH people on his drives, throwing the ball down with authority or at least going up to which is why he draws the fouls Ayton doesnt.

Even in the nice fake handoff to Book at the FT, he still went up so soft before getting fouled. Ended up missing 1 of the FTs when if he was really aggressive, he would have flushed that ball on the defenders head.
Yeah, I definitely undersold the gulf of difference between the two. Feels like the team is trying to push him there, and while that isn't new, it feels like a more concerted effort. Seeing more entry passes when he's switched on to smaller defenders since he's been back.
 
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