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Since Cam’s contract extension wouldn’t hit the book until next off-season when Crowder comes off the books, I don’t think that’s a reason Crowder would be moved right now.
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Since Cam’s contract extension wouldn’t hit the book until next off-season when Crowder comes off the books, I don’t think that’s a reason Crowder would be moved right now.

Yeah. Crowder is an expiring contract. He will be off the books after this coming season.
 

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What do you consider real adversity? Past couple seasons Saric got hurt. Frank got hurt. Covid swept the team multiple times. Booker has had repeated hamstring injuries. Paul has had repeated injuries. This season was coming off a collapse in the finals. I would argue the Suns have seen plenty of adversity.
That's easy--worse adversity than that. Why? Because what you call adversity obviously did not make them mentally strong enough to avoid complacency and an embarrassing playoff upset. I would like to hear something about Suns players frustrated enough about something going wrong to call players-only meetings like the Celtics famously did last season. And I don't want to ever again see Devin Booker tweeting "We okay?" at us.
 

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Hmm.

Maybe Cam Johnson can give Monty some coaching tips.

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I know many here will disagree with me but I want to keep Mikal, Ayton, and Cam Johnson and move on from the Durant trade acquisition unless we can get him for numerous draft picks and Crowder, Shamet, Craig, & Cam Payne and the Nets aren't going to take that combination of players. I don't want to gut this contending team for 34 year superstar making close to $50 million per for 4 years. A 24 year Durant we are not getting. Run in back
 

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I know many here will disagree with me but I want to keep Mikal, Ayton, and Cam Johnson and move on from the Durant trade acquisition unless we can get him for numerous draft picks and Crowder, Shamet, Craig, & Cam Payne and the Nets aren't going to take that combination of players. I don't want to gut this contending team for 34 year superstar making close to $50 million per for 4 years. A 24 year Durant we are not getting. Run in back

I'm about there. The Suns being right about another superstar in Chris Paul leaves me wondering though.
 

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I know many here will disagree with me but I want to keep Mikal, Ayton, and Cam Johnson and move on from the Durant trade acquisition unless we can get him for numerous draft picks and Crowder, Shamet, Craig, & Cam Payne and the Nets aren't going to take that combination of players. I don't want to gut this contending team for 34 year superstar making close to $50 million per for 4 years. A 24 year Durant we are not getting. Run in back
I think a lot of us are here… even the ones like me who was all in on Durant. This team can still come back with its core intact but they still need to make at least one somewhat needle mover… for someone like an Eric Gordon to boost the bench and scoring or a good legit stretch 4 who can bang.

Just running it back sans McGee plus an unknown Saric isn’t going to win us a title unless Ayton/Bridges/Cam all take BIG steps forward. Can that happen? Yea, but I don’t see it as likely as each of those guys’ trajectories have been more incremental each season.
 

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for someone like an Eric Gordon to boost the bench and scoring or a good legit stretch 4 who can bang.
It seems everyone is of the same mind here - KD or add another wing who can create/big who can play.

Who cares if it costs a first? We should have gotten Gordon last year - I doubt we lose to the Mavs with Gordon.
 

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This is only a Suns issue insofar as it affects a division rival and the only team last season that was probably the Suns' equal.

Does anyone believe the rumors that Draymond Green might leave the Warriors over money? They are balking at giving him the extension he wants, and they have many players coming up for their own contracts.
 

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This is only a Suns issue insofar as it affects a division rival and the only team last season that was probably the Suns' equal.

Does anyone believe the rumors that Draymond Green might leave the Warriors over money? They are balking at giving him the extension he wants, and they have many players coming up for their own contracts.

i buy it. I don't think the Warriors give him the Max, but I think some stupid team might. Reminds me of the Ben Wallace situation years ago in Detroit. He perfectly fit their system, but was getting long in the tooth and they weren't going to give him big money. The Bulls stupidly stepped up to do that and paid the price for it. I think Draymond is a similar piece in that he fits the warriors perfectly, but is also getting long in the tooth and there's no shortage of stupid teams in the NBA who might do the same as the Bulls back then.
 

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This is only a Suns issue insofar as it affects a division rival and the only team last season that was probably the Suns' equal.

Does anyone believe the rumors that Draymond Green might leave the Warriors over money? They are balking at giving him the extension he wants, and they have many players coming up for their own contracts.
Draymond will leave for money. He has won titles and accolades. He wants to get paid. GSW are way over the cap. Paying the most luxury tax by far in the NBA. They are not going to add to that. I guess they could but I would be shocked.
 

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Draymond will leave for money. He has won titles and accolades. He wants to get paid. GSW are way over the cap. Paying the most luxury tax by far in the NBA. They are not going to add to that. I guess they could but I would be shocked.


Who is going to pay him? I don’t see teams throwing big money at him
 

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Who is going to pay him? I don’t see teams throwing big money at him

In a lot of ways, Green is a product of the Warriors system. I can't see any team paying him anywhere near the max. His stats do not support it.

Maybe some team will pay him for a one or two year contract.
 

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In a lot of ways, Green is a product of the Warriors system. I can't see any team paying him anywhere near the max. His stats do not support it.

Maybe some team will pay him for a one or two year contract.

In all ways he’s a product of the system.

If he was drafted by the Kings what’s his career? When Steph and Klay were out and it was all on his shoulders he caved big time. Averaging them triple singles
 

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I’m out on KD.

I think we need to turn our attention to Collins

Give up expiring and picks
Collins is not going to happen. Suns don’t like him at all according to gambo.

by the way KD landed in Phoenix tonight. Don’t think it is for a vacation.
 

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I'm NOT "out" on KD until he signs with someone else.
I'm out on tripping over it, if it happens awesome if not less awesome but fine, life goes on.
If we don't get KD we have all those draft picks to use for other players or so we don't have to sit around with our thumbs up our butts during the draft.

We've been spoiled lil brats over the last few years. It wasn't long ago we were the rock bottom of the NBA.
The turn around is complete, there is no going back to those days.

Yeah we ST Bed hardcore last year w Dallas, lock that in as experience, learn from it and keep rolling.

With no changes at all we have a VERY competitive team, I don't think JJ will start the season without making a few improvements.
 

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I'm NOT "out" on KD until he signs with someone else.
I'm out on tripping over it, if it happens awesome if not less awesome but fine, life goes on.
If we don't get KD we have all those draft picks to use for other players or so we don't have to sit around with our thumbs up our butts during the draft.

We've been spoiled lil brats over the last few years. It wasn't long ago we were the rock bottom of the NBA.
The turn around is complete, there is no going back to those days.

Yeah we ST Bed hardcore last year w Dallas, lock that in as experience, learn from it and keep rolling.

With no changes at all we have a VERY competitive team, I don't think JJ will start the season without making a few improvements.

I see some parallels with us and the Dirk Mavericks. They suffered a heartbreaking finals defeat, a few shocking playoff collapses, but the ownership was patient, stuck with the team, let them grow together and then, despite not having a guy viewed as a "superstar" they went and won the title.

I hope we get there a little quicker than Dallas did, it took them 6 years from that finals loss (and lots of brutal heartache between) before they won their title. But a team built around Booker, Bridges, Ayton and Cam Johnson as it's main guys should absolutely be in the mix for a long long time.

If the price is right, I'm still down for Durant, but I think our best chance to a title is a long run of competitiveness, rather than a desperate gamble that gives us a 2 year window.
 

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I see some parallels with us and the Dirk Mavericks. They suffered a heartbreaking finals defeat, a few shocking playoff collapses, but the ownership was patient, stuck with the team, let them grow together and then, despite not having a guy viewed as a "superstar" they went and won the title.

I hope we get there a little quicker than Dallas did, it took them 6 years from that finals loss (and lots of brutal heartache between) before they won their title. But a team built around Booker, Bridges, Ayton and Cam Johnson as it's main guys should absolutely be in the mix for a long long time.

If the price is right, I'm still down for Durant, but I think our best chance to a title is a long run of competitiveness, rather than a desperate gamble that gives us a 2 year window.

I would agree with most it's just that CP3's window and effectiveness is closing too.
 

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So looks like Dario and Monty got into it recently.
No, it does not. It was a simple translation mistake.

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No, it does not. It was a simple translation mistake.

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Putting Discuss in the place of argue doesn’t make a lot of sense with the rest of the statement.

Maybe he just… meant what he said. It wouldn’t be the first time we heard issues Monty has had with players this off-season (Ayton/CP3).
 
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