Suns Off Season Changes for 2025: Trades, Buyouts, GM, Coaches, etc.

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By the time Booker is through with his career he will likely have earned close to $750-800 million. That’s incredible.
It is unfathomable to us regular people. However, I am very grateful for what I have and I live an extremely comfortable life on a very small fraction of that.
 
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I oppose trading Royce O'Neal, because his defense is probably invaluable. If one of the two must go, I'd rather reluctantly lose Allen. Good three-point shooting is easier to replace than good defense.

O'Neal is the closest thing these Suns have to Torrey Craig, who should never have been let go. A shorter, slightly younger Torrey Craig with less offensive skill. Yeah...if I were going to trade O'Neal, I would try to trade him to get Torrey Craig back.

Or perhaps not...Craig seems to be a free agent.
 
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I like that a lot more than Vassell and #14. I'd probably take that over the Houston deal depending on the players involved. Ive seen far too many from Houston to know what young players they'd actually part with. Jabari Smith Jr and Amen Thompson are the only two youngsters there that are really appealing to me.
 

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I could see a 3-way where Vassell goes to Orlando and we get their 2026 pick as well as #14 from San Antonio. I value picks over players because we’re not getting an all star back.
 

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It is unfathomable to us regular people. However, I am very grateful for what I have and I live an extremely comfortable life on a very small fraction of that.
I don’t have a problem with it. Well, kind of. I wish we, as a society, deployed resources with a lot more social conscience and for items that actually make us better, but I recognize that entertainment is an incredibly important part of human survival and comfort and the market directs dollars where we place them. It was just an alarming recognition that someone of hookers level - a guy who will never be discussed as one of the all-time greats in the game, will have earned so “close” to a billion dollars (if you can consider $200-250 million “close,” lol).
 

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Nikola is intriguing as he’s raised his game each of his three seasons, he’s only 21, he’s got length, his game looks well-rounder and he’s been in the Heat system (which I value). But he’s only played 46 game each of the last seasons. Robert Williams never rose to the level he was capable of due to injuries. I was also surprised to see he’s only averaged 10pts in one season his entire career. He’s nothing more than a contract and an occasssional player upon whom you can’t rely. So this is really just trading for draft picks that won’t see the floor until 5 and 7 years from now. I doubt ishbia has that patience.
 

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I could see a 3-way where Vassell goes to Orlando and we get their 2026 pick as well as #14 from San Antonio. I value picks over players because we’re not getting an all star back.
I think vassel should net more than a later 2026 pick. Unfortunately the Magic don’t have any extra picks for the next three years that could be earlier.
 
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Kind of another rehash or slant on why Durant wasn't traded to the Warriors.

It sounds like he didn't want to be traded mid-season. See below:


BY DAVID VEENSTRA ArizonaSports.com editor, Jun 8, 2025, 7:21 PM:

“I want my career to end on my terms. That’s the only thing I’m worried about. I see a lot of dudes that don’t get the opportunity,” Durant said on The Draymond Green Show with Baron Davis. “But as far as the Warriors, I didn’t want to move and a player like me, I cost a lot. Me going to your team, it’s going to be a whole new era to your team when I get to your team.


“My contract and just my production, me just getting up and moving in the middle of the season, it’s going to be a big blow to any team I’m going to. It’s like, I get why y’all want to trade me and why y’all looking at it,” he added. “It just doesn’t make sense for either side right now to go through it. We play the season out and if that’s the decision (the Suns) want to make in the offseason, then you figure it out. It’s just such a big change to make and I’ve been through it before and I’m like, that ain’t really it.”


 

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John Wall was a different situation. He had a body that couldn't play basketball "when healthy". Beal can still play basketball, and at a pretty high level, when he's healthy. He's just not healthy most of the time.

Comparing to John Wall and even a far less talented Jae Crowder is simply not a comparison that is well thought out.

His splits were shockingly bad last season.

Maaaaaybe it was that he was a bad fit, but we were far far worse whenever he was on the court.

I think it was both, he is a terrible fit AND the accumulation injuries have ruined his career. He is rarely healthy and even when his is not actively injured, he is a shell of the player he once was.

In the end, I don't think it will matter, he will never play for us again. We're either going to eat that contract or we are going to ship him off (probably at cost) to some team who is willing to eat that contract.
 

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Kind of another rehash or slant on why Durant wasn't traded to the Warriors.

It sounds like he didn't want to be traded mid-season. See below:


BY DAVID VEENSTRA ArizonaSports.com editor, Jun 8, 2025, 7:21 PM:

“I want my career to end on my terms. That’s the only thing I’m worried about. I see a lot of dudes that don’t get the opportunity,” Durant said on The Draymond Green Show with Baron Davis. “But as far as the Warriors, I didn’t want to move and a player like me, I cost a lot. Me going to your team, it’s going to be a whole new era to your team when I get to your team.


“My contract and just my production, me just getting up and moving in the middle of the season, it’s going to be a big blow to any team I’m going to. It’s like, I get why y’all want to trade me and why y’all looking at it,” he added. “It just doesn’t make sense for either side right now to go through it. We play the season out and if that’s the decision (the Suns) want to make in the offseason, then you figure it out. It’s just such a big change to make and I’ve been through it before and I’m like, that ain’t really it.”



Fluff.

He and Draymond despise each other. They don't remotely try to hide it.

He is also extremely defensive of his warriors stint online (and he is online a TON, as we all know), going back there, in a desperate bid to win, would be the ultimate humiliation for his fragile ego.
 

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I'm not buying KD's reason for nixing a Warriors deal. He's been dealt midseason before, when he came here. He's never spoken out about that. He just knows the Warriors won't open the checkbook to him like Ishbia or another team would. He wants to be woo'ed.
 

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I'm not buying KD's reason for nixing a Warriors deal. He's been dealt midseason before, when he came here. He's never spoken out about that. He just knows the Warriors won't open the checkbook to him like Ishbia or another team would. He wants to be woo'ed.
I'm definitely not buying his (obvious) excuse but OTOH, I'm not sure what his motivation for not supporting the trade idea really was. I can think of a few possible reasons why he stalled the trade and all of them reflect his fragile ego. To be fair though, most of us have multiple reasons for big changes like this and ego would drive many of us.
 
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I'm not buying KD's reason for nixing a Warriors deal. He's been dealt midseason before, when he came here. He's never spoken out about that. He just knows the Warriors won't open the checkbook to him like Ishbia or another team would. He wants to be woo'ed.

I'm definitely not buying his (obvious) excuse but OTOH, I'm not sure what his motivation for not supporting the trade idea really was. I can think of a few possible reasons why he stalled the trade and all of them reflect his fragile ego. To be fair though, most of us have multiple reasons for big changes like this and ego would drive many of us.

I think one has to take what Durant has said at face value, even if we may believe otherwise.

Bottom line, Durant didn't want to be traded to the Warriors last season. That's why a trade didn't happen.
 

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Sun's will not be waiving and stretching Beal according to this. So, the Suns either play him or sit him down until he agrees to waive his NTC.

 

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Sun's will not be waiving and stretching Beal according to this. So, the Suns either play him or sit him down until he agrees to waive his NTC.

$80 million on head coaches and $160 on bradley beal + book wants $170 million for 2 years - that's over $400 million dollars and all ish has is booker to show for it - dude is bleeding money
 
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Some think a Durant trade to the Spurs may already be done.

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John Wall was a different situation. He had a body that couldn't play basketball "when healthy". Beal can still play basketball, and at a pretty high level, when he's healthy. He's just not healthy most of the time.

Comparing to John Wall and even a far less talented Jae Crowder is simply not a comparison that is well thought out.
Agree to disagree.
 
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