Suns @ Mavericks Sunday Playoff game thread, R2, 5-8-2022 - Game 4

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Wow. We think Luka is whiny ass? This team lovvvves it's ref blaming.. maybe starts with the coach?! Just sayin.
I guess you watched a different game than the rest of the country. Either that or you’re willing to look past an unfairly officiated game. It’s not just Suns fans and players that noticed:

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Those last two were two of the worst officiated games I can remember. I wish I wasn’t thinking this but we’re getting into WWF territory. The NBA obviously wants Luka in a starring role.
 

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There bad calls in every game. Doncic had FIVE FOULS IN THE THIRD QUARTER in Game 3. I can be you every whining douche in Dallas probably thought there was a conspiracy to get him there too.
absolutely, this, I try not to be one of those fans but it does happen. I know it's hard when you see bad calls, I thought the 5th foul on Luka in game 3 was harsh and it caused him to miss much of the fourth quarter when Phoenix went on a mini run. And obviously Luka could not make contact on defense for the rest of the game when he went back. But Dallas overcame it and deserved to win, there were some bad calls against Phoenix as well in game 3.

I missed game 4, but now I'm getting caught up with all of the post game and off court stuff that happened.

Now that it's over, I think the suns need to analyze their own play and not blame the refs. Mark Cuban used to be and now Cowboys coach Mike McCarthy is the poster child for ref blaming and we know that never works. it takes accountability away from the players and I don't think it makes the refs want to change their approach at all. You can address the referees in person on the court face to face and then once you leave it's over.
 

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Wow. We think Luka is whiny ass? This team lovvvves it's ref blaming.. maybe starts with the coach?! Just sayin.
Just goes to show there's a lot ref blaming everywhere when the end result doesn't go your way. EDIT: I think even when you win you can still bash refs, regardless of if the calls were for or against your team.

After game 2 there were definitely some mavs media that I listen to that were critical of Luka complaining to the refs and chirping at the fans in Phoenix. I have no problem with Luka being called out for that, I think he needs to save his energy. I do wonder if it distracts him. make no mistake, every player that's ever been good in this league has gone on the road and told fans to be quiet after hitting a dagger shot. I recently saw a video of MJ saying a real man talks trash all game regardless of the score lol. For fans though, for me you always wait until the end when you know the game has been won, then tell the fans to be quiet. I don't think Luka is that type of guy though, he's going to talk all game long. As far as the refs, I still think he talks to them too much during the games. he needs to pick his spots, of corse I used to think the same about Tim Duncan and he never matured either. how is the TD bug eyes after every call or no call not a meme? he was like the most perfect player ever except for free throw shooting.

I look back at games 1 and 2, and I do think Luka took a lot of heat in spite of playing at or above his average.
 
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Wow that’s crappy. Nice fans Dallas.
It's embarrassing and I'm not surprised. Dumb fans gonna be dumb, every game I've ever gone to I've seen dumb fans that want to make other people uncomfortable or start some BS. and I will easily say the cowboys fans are the dumbest around, but every fan base has them. You can't reason with them and the ones that are looking for a fight are just waiting for someone to knock them out of their misery. it's not worth it. I don't know why players bring their families down there, I would offer mine a suite if that is an option, but I'm never letting my family sit court side, it would be too much of an unnecessary distraction for me. I know a lot of players do it though and their families should be protected a lot better than they are.
 
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Monty is exactly what Carlisle was to Dallas.....like @lorenzotexan spoke about. Liabilities are never great. Scared liabilities are worse.
I don't want to speak on Monty because I don't follow him and the suns closely, so far I've mostly heard good things about him, especially in the Dallas media, but we will see how he motivates his players now. He definitely has his work cut out for him. I do think that J-Kidd did a good job calling out his players after game 2, he even called out Luka for being a bystander on defense...maybe not the exact words but he definitely addressed it to the media.

The thing with Carisle is that he was always going to do what he wanted to do. If he decides that a player like Brunson is too young to play in a playoff game, then that's it....mind you Luka is also young...so it doesn't have to make sense it just has to make sense to Coach Carlisle. If he decides that Porzingis at 7ft4 is going to stand around on the 3 point line, then that's what happens (yes that was his decision apparently). He would not listen to anyone else in the organization, especially the players. He treated the players poorly as well, which is fine I guess, but it's 2022 not 1998. With that said Carlisle was a good fit with that older Dallas team that had boomers on it and that is why they had success, but failed miserably after Cuban let all of those players go. Cuban may as well of fired Carlisle in 2013 because he was probably dead inside trying to coach young players.
 

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I found these video clips. They speak for themselves.

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Yup totally fair and not rigged /s
Not rigged. Not fair, but not rigged. I've never seen a "fairly" refereed game. The aggressor gets far more leeway than the non-aggressor. Dallas was clearly the aggressive team.

And the team whose coach works the referees (calmly until more is necessary) gets more calls. And the players that know how to work the referees without pissing all over them get more calls. We're flat out of luck in those areas. Booker whines, Paul flops, Monty smiles and when really angry, almost frowns.
 

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Not rigged. Not fair, but not rigged. I've never seen a "fairly" refereed game. The aggressor gets far more leeway than the non-aggressor. Dallas was clearly the aggressive team.

And the team whose coach works the referees (calmly until more is necessary) gets more calls. And the players that know how to work the referees without pissing all over them get more calls. We're flat out of luck in those areas. Booker whines, Paul flops, Monty smiles and when really angry, almost frowns.
And Luka cries incessantly and is the golden child.
 

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Had Paul's 6th "foul" occurred in Phoenix, it wouldn't have been called... And, if Brunson hadn't flopped to the floor, it wouldn't have bee called...
So yea... NBA refs suck and the NBA has a full-on problem. No conspiracies... No favoritism or anti-Suns agenda... Get over it guys.
 

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And Luka cries incessantly and is the golden child.
He does. And he is. Yes, he's one of the protected few. But even he pleads his case better than we do.

And like Lebron, who also complains, whines, ******* and begs for calls, he's instigating most of the contact he's involved in. He doesn't get every call but he avoids most of the fouls he earns and he gets to the line on a lot of calls that should have gone the other way.

I don't care what level you've played at, if you've played with referees you know there is a way to deal with them - and you know there is a way to kill any chance you have of getting any of the borderline calls to go your way. This team, from the Head Coach on down need to take a class on relating to referees.
 

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He does. And he is. Yes, he's one of the protected few. But even he pleads his case better than we do.

And like Lebron, who also complains, whines, ******* and begs for calls, he's instigating most of the contact he's involved in. He doesn't get every call but he avoids most of the fouls he earns and he gets to the line on a lot of calls that should have gone the other way.

I don't care what level you've played at, if you've played with referees you know there is a way to deal with them - and you know there is a way to kill any chance you have of getting any of the borderline calls to go your way. This team, from the Head Coach on down need to take a class on relating to referees.
Unfortunately, if that's true and the Suns from top down don't know how to do it correctly, it's not going to happen in this series or even these playoffs. And if Paul doesn't know how to do it at this stage, he never will. I guess we're not going anywhere this postseason since we don't know how to play the referees.
 

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The refs aren't the ones who made us play soft and uninspired. The refs aren't the ones that made us play awful defense and get manhandled by a much smaller team. This team just doesn't want it...that's just reality. They don't deserve to move on with the way they've been playing. They need to look in the mirror before they start blaming it on the refs.
 

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Two of those calls were the most bull calls I have seen in a long time. Having said that, that's not why we lost. Chris has had 2 very very bad games in a row. The rest of the team's struggles have been talked about repeatedly. The Suns have two choices here. Expend all your energy complaining, whining about the refs, hoping they bail you out or just assume you are not going to get the benefit of those calls and rise above it.

This team has been tested with adversity all season long. Are they going to fold or do what they have done all season?
 
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