Suns lose again

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  1. taz02

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    Yes.
     
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    I thought this tweet by Duane Rankin was interesting. The Suns only had one winning starting lineup out of 28 different ones.

    That lineup was Johnson, Booker, Ayton, Oubre and Bender. This lineup beat the Bucks and Warriors.

    It doesn't prove anything but it hints when the Suns have competitive starters they can win.

    IIRC, Johnson and Oubre went out injured after the Jazz game.

     
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    You should really watch some of Morant's games. The dude has IT, IMO. And yes, it is a weak draft, but that's mostly because it's very top heavy. The top 3 of Zion, Morant and Barrett are very talented and then there's a massive drop-off after that.

    I also think this team isn't NEARLY as close to being close as I believe you do. Yes, Holiday would make them better in the short term, but to what end? Even with Anthony Davis, Mirotic and Randle, the Pelicans haven't been very good year in year out and were beyond disappointing this year even before the trade demand was made. I fear he's a bit of a band-aid... a REALLY GOOD band-aid, but a band-aid nonetheless that might push this team immediately to be a 40-45 win team next year, but after that, I think we might end up running in mud, up and down between 45-50 wins in the next couple years while being an also-ran in a tough Western Conference. And then when Holiday's contract is up, we'll be screwed. We've endured this much pain to try and be GREAT. I'm not ready to settle at being... okay and or good in a peak season.

    Patience right now is key. We were the second worst team in the league last year. For us to truly challenge in the future... which is what we all want... it's still going to need a 3rd super-talented player with star upside to make up a true Big 3. And more than that, I think we're going to need another true alpha dog. We have 1 with Book, but I believe despite Ayton's natural talents, the lack of dog in him will ultimately keep him from being the dominant #2 a title team needs. Make no mistake, he will get better, but I think looking forward, if we're going to put together a title team, we'll need a true blue #2 or even another #1a/b to go along with Booker/Ayton to compete at the highest level long term. Morant has that potential to be one of the players at the most important position on the floor.
     
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    I think Oubre can be one of those cornerstones as well. He is only 23.
     
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    Yeah, I think that's where we disagree. I think your argument is excellent and very logical. We just disagree on that one premise. That 10-ish games stretch with Johnson, Booker, Oubre, and Ayton all healthy showed that they can play 50/50 ball with a marginal NBA player at PG. I think Holiday takes them a step further so they can compete every night while Ayton develops, along with other youngsters. After Holiday's contract is up, you have cap space, and you have a better shot with free agents once you have a competitive team.

    It also may not be an either-or proposition. Suns could theoretically get a veteran point guard and still draft Morant. You may be right about him, and you've probably seen more of him than I have. My main issue is that what little I've seen of him, I saw no defense and poor shooting. Those are the two things the Suns need. I am OK going into next season with Johnson and Morant at PG, but I would prefer a great defenders who can contribute and score.
     
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    Agreed. I think both Oubre and Bridges will end up being better than people think. Neither may ever make an all star team, but if Booker gets a little better, Ayton develops well, and the Suns find a good point guard, they probably don't need them to be all-stars.
     
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    I don’t think you’d get much of an argument there. Problem is, there are some of us that aren’t enthusiastic about the odds of it happening.
     
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    I wouldn’t do #2 for Jrue unless it’s a pick swap but with Dave Griffin in place it’s not going to happen. If Ja’ is gone and we’re picking 3+ then absolutely straight up. I’m holding out hope Bol Bol has a great pre-draft process makes a beeline for the top-5 improving our trade value potentially.
     
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    And the losses against Portland and Utah were blowouts, and with the exception of the Lakers game (where they got off to a red hot start and then blew their own huge lead), they had to come back from huge deficits for those wins, even the home win against the NBA-worst Knicks. In my opinion, that 7 game stretch is very much overhyped as cause for hope.
     
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    I don't discount Oubre. I think he can be a fantastic fourth piece... or maybe even a 3b with Ayton. But I don't think he's the game-changer this team will need moving forward to be legit contender year in, year out.

    And as far as Bridges is concerned, I think his ceiling is GREAT role player as a 3 and D specialist..., and I do think he'll hit that ceiling, but I'll be surprised if he rises above that. Remember, he's not a super young guy who came out as a freshmen. He's already 22 and even at that age, struggled a lot this season on offense and showed very little ability to create for himself or others. Would be stoked to see that change, but again, that's never been any part of his game, even in college where he had age as advantage over a lot of younger players.
     
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    We have been patient for 9 years. How many more years will it take, and how much more of this garbage will Booker, Ayton, etc. be willing to take. Every season, at least one of our core has had enough. First it was Dragic, then Knight, then Bledsoe, and this year Warren. You can't build a winner like this.
     
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    yes, i read Warren was more physically ready to play than mentally the last few games

    like Dragic and Bledsoe we'll likely have to sell him at a disgruntled discount,
    instead of moving him when he was a hot commodity earlier this season

    i believe it started when Igor didn't start him when he had earned it
     
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    You really do want to blame Igor for everything, don't you? Warren started all but the first 7 games of the season and then he was placed into the starting lineup where he stayed until his "bone bruise" or whatever his issue was became too much for him to play through. He was fine for 36 games but you want to say he was reminded of something 3 months prior and got angry? Please elaborate because you aren't making sense. There is no proof Warren was disgruntled because of the coaching when he sat because of his injury.
     
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    The Suns definitely need a spark from another player other than Oubre to take them to the next level. I'm expecting that spark to come from the addition of a point guard or power forward. I do think Oubre puts them in position to take the next step.

    My evaluation of Bridges is much the same as yours.
     
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    NOt a chance. Ja will be a better player immediately.
     

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