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I think there's too much certainty that Green is cooked.

There was a time people said the same about Larry and he went on to play several more quality years.

Injury is more a concern that level of play for me.
 

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For example though, the talent disparity from #1 and #2 in seattle is razor thin vs in AZ where it was a wide gap.
yes

two takeaways:

three of the high concentration teams went to the playoffs. It says you can get there even with high concentration

while the dependence on DHop makes us fret, the Cards arent alone and not even the worst.
 

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Gandhi, JMO, but at RG (Murray/Winters) and at RT (Beachum/Jones) should be okay. They weren't bad last year and the addition of Winters, plus the extra year's experience for Jones should make them better. And most posters on this board seem to think highly of the OL coach.
 

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I think there's too much certainty that Green is cooked.

There was a time people said the same about Larry and he went on to play several more quality years.

Injury is more a concern that level of play for me.
If they said this back in 2018 then they were right.
 

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I think there's too much certainty that Green is cooked.

There was a time people said the same about Larry and he went on to play several more quality years.

Injury is more a concern that level of play for me.

I think so as well.

My floor for Green in my view is higher than Fitzgeralds ceiling...plus he will do that as an outside receiver.

What happens if he is even 80% of the player he once was? Fireworks.
 

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bearish case for each NFL West opponent:

SEA: a suspect defense looks worse rather than better. The offensive coordinator changed, and, it is his first year being an OC. SEA is a pretty avg. offense yardage wise -- 17th overall. They are 8th in points as a result of a top 5 redzone TD 5. Curious to see if this is sustainable or regresses to league average. Big picture: in a league where the gravitational pull is to 8-8: SEA statistically didn't look like a 12 win team and were 8-3 in one score games. I think they regress in terms of win total.

SF: Worst QB in the division, and now one with a bullseye on his back. D Coordinator and key assistants left. For the Cards worries about injury prone players, SF is dealing with the same risk for their best players: Garrapolo, Bosa, Samuel, Verrett, etc.

LAR: lost the defensive coordinator and key pieces of that staff, offensive pass and run game coordinator They had net personnel losses and are questionable at safety and inside linebackers. Overall defensive rankings tend to be the least consistent from year to year, and given their No. 1 rankings in yards and points, there is only one direction to move. The biggest question mark for them: Stafford. Is he a really good qb held back by a bad team, or, a QB who puts up empty numbers and was part of the problem? The Lions were 20th in points and yards last year with: Golliday and Marvin Jones at WR. A first round TE. DeAndre Swift at RB. A good set of tackles, and a very good center. What gives?
Just on the Rams a couple of nits:

yeah the ranking can go down from #1 on defense, but statistically it can improve. I’m pretty sure they didn’t up zero yards and zero points. So “only direction . . . “ comment is meaningless.

golladay played portions of four games. That 20th ranking of the lions is also meaningless.
 

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I think there's too much certainty that Green is cooked.

There was a time people said the same about Larry and he went on to play several more quality years.

Injury is more a concern that level of play for me.
Which two years of Larry’s were missed entire season followed by worst statistical year of his career in his 30s?
 

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You're undoubtedly right about the Seahawks corners. They also have enough general calamity that I think we're worth considering as the better team. However, their offense and coaching is enough to give them a bit of an edge. The Rams and 49ers have better situations though, and Murphy isn't a starter. A team can neutralize him by not playing a 3rd WR.
The Seahawks, even with adding a Gabe Jackson who appears to be on the decline, still can't run the ball the way they used to and pass block for Wilson. They also spent a buttload of money on Jamal Adams, who gives up like a 130 QB rating. They are likely moving on from KJ Wright who has been one of the best backers in the league for sometime...and if you look at their current trends, they haven't exactly been successful replacing all of the studs they drafted early in the Carroll era.

I haven't discounted CJ personally, but if we want to compare him and Bosa, there's nearly 10 years in age to consider.

And Bosa has had a BUTTLOAD of injuries over his very short football career. There was a reason that Murray was a slam-dunk pick....1) Because he was a good QB and significantly better player than Rosen 2) Bosa has a totally real injury history that is concerning. The kid has had like 5 major injuries that he has missed significant time over the past 7 years or so. I'll bank on Jones over Bosa, even considering his season ending injury and age.

DHop's my guy, but Kliff has been scheming him into weird decoy routes, so it doesn't matter who is covering him sometimes.
Outside of Ramsey, this just isn't true.

The issue is, DK Metcalf has Tyler Lockett on the other side/slot.

And an offensive line that averages like 50 sacks per year...

The 49ers have tons of speed and talent in Aiyuk and Samuel.

And Samuel is a walking MASH unit. He was injured like this in college too. And Samuel's best season is closer to AJ Green's worst season than it is to AJ Green's best season. Kittle also has gotten significant injuries, and it's a huge question mark of whether this is a new trend for Kittle. See how easy it is to start seeing OTHER teams flaws? The Niners have LOTS of injury question marks..

We've got Hop and a kid who has barely played in two years that needs my help to reach the top shelf at the grocery store. Woods and Kupp are slower, so I think we can match up, but I hate the rest of it.

So the Cardinals have a hall of fame, top 5 wide receivers and a bunch of guys who fit a role. AJ Green is the supersized, jump ball possession guy. Kirk should be moved over the slot, but can also play outside at a replacementish level. And Moore has super speed to burn.

I like Green, but don't expect he'll replace both Fitz and Dan Arnold's level of productivity.

He doesn't have to. Green, Kirk, and Moore could (and it's not a massive stretch) produce more.

Watt's great... and also chronically unhealthy. The instant he spends a prolonged amount of time on the bench hurt, literally any football player is better. It would be a surprise if he played every game, and that's why it's hard to count on him.

What's surprising about him playing a full season....he did it last year! And played over 1000 snaps!
 

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Just on the Rams a couple of nits:

yeah the ranking can go down from #1 on defense, but statistically it can improve. I’m pretty sure they didn’t up zero yards and zero points. So “only direction . . . “ comment is meaningless.

golladay played portions of four games. That 20th ranking of the lions is also meaningless.

If you expect the Rams to get better after losing Troy Hill, John Johnson, Michael Brockers, and their REALLY GOOD young D Coordinator who they replaced with the MEH Raheem Morris...

I think they will still be good based on Donald and Ramsey, but to think they can replicate what they did last year is drinking Kool-Aid.
 

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If you expect the Rams to get better after losing Troy Hill, John Johnson, Michael Brockers, and their REALLY GOOD young D Coordinator who they replaced with the MEH Raheem Morris...

I think they will still be good based on Donald and Ramsey, but to think they can replicate what they did last year is drinking Kool-Aid.
I find it ironic to claim people are drinking Kool-Aid on a team who laid a beat down on us in our last game of the season without their QB and a ton of key players while we had the playoffs on the line.

McVay has forgotten more about coaching than Kingsbury will ever learn, which is funny since he's 6 years younger.

Edit: I apologize if this reply is too aggressive, I just found out my friend died in a horrific accident, so sorry for tone.
 

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I find it ironic to claim people are drinking Kool-Aid on a team who laid a beat down on us in our last game of the season without their QB and a ton of key players while we had the playoffs on the line.

McVay has forgotten more about coaching than Kingsbury will ever learn, which is funny since he's 6 years younger.

Edit: I apologize if this reply is too aggressive, I just found out my friend died in a horrific accident, so sorry for tone.

(Sorry to hear about your friend)

The point is that Cardinals fans are still panning what has been mostly a good offseason, but are quick to pump up the Rams even with them losing a significant portion of their secondary. They have some replacements in the wings, but John Johnson is a fantastic FS and Troy Hill is a pretty good CB. You can't just continue to replace guys with roster depth players and expect the defense to remain the same.

Plus Brandon Staley was phenomenal last year. That kid is a really good young football coach, while Raheem Morris has largely been a failure everywhere he's been.
 

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Which two years of Larry’s were missed entire season followed by worst statistical year of his career in his 30s?

Could he be? Sure. But it's far from certain.

There's a bunch of players been written off before who weren't done. Randy Moss was "cooked" in Vegas until he went to the Pats for example.
 

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If you expect the Rams to get better after losing Troy Hill, John Johnson, Michael Brockers, and their REALLY GOOD young D Coordinator who they replaced with the MEH Raheem Morris...

I think they will still be good based on Donald and Ramsey, but to think they can replicate what they did last year is drinking Kool-Aid.
Was just commenting on the “only direction” which is false.
 
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