Social Issues and the NFL P&R Light

Status
Not open for further replies.

cheesebeef

Registered User
Supporting Member
Joined
Jan 2, 2003
Posts
68,644
Reaction score
26,743
Look back 5 years ago and you should see what has already changed.

you can also look back just three years ago and see that @tnmike is all talk no action as he specifically started the repugnant “to the players compelled” thread where he said if the players were going to kneel, he’d stop watching football!

well, the players have been kneeling for 3 years and yet... he’s still watching. So, not only is he posting stuff making him look racist, he’s also apparently got no principles as a man of his word.

https://www.arizonasportsfans.com/forum/threads/to-players-compelled.254951/

put up or shut up already @tnmike
 

tnmike

Pro Bowler
Joined
Oct 22, 2006
Posts
828
Reaction score
665
Location
Nashville, TN
Getting rid of slavery was only the first step.
Getting rid of slavery was the right thing to do. But I don't know anyone alive in several generations that were slaves or owned slaves. Again, 5 years from now nothing will have changed. In the U S today with a few exceptions most people hold the key to their own destiny.
 

TJ

Bobby Sarvs
Joined
Apr 2, 2005
Posts
29,405
Reaction score
11,778
Location
South Bay
You should realize that it was liberals getting triggered and calling people racists that caused me to make that comment.

Sent from my moto g(6) (XT1925DL) using Tapatalk
Why do people automatically default to politics when the matter of equality is introduced? The gestures from athletes take nothing away from the entertainment value of the game.

Equal rights is not a political stance; it’s a barometer for morality.
 

Mainstreet

Registered User
Supporting Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2003
Posts
75,428
Reaction score
19,983
Getting rid of slavery was the right thing to do. But I don't know anyone alive in several generations that were slaves or owned slaves. Again, 5 years from now nothing will have changed. In the U S today with a few exceptions most people hold the key to their own destiny.

Segregation of the 1950s and 1960s is not that long ago.

The Civil Rights Act didn't happen until 1964 and the Voting Rights Act didn't occur until 1965. Laws change quicker than the minds of men as they pass their thoughts and ideas to younger generations.

Again change happens in steps... not all at one time. Change will assuredly happen.
 

dreamcastrocks

Chopped Liver Moderator
Super Moderator
Moderator
Supporting Member
Joined
Aug 19, 2005
Posts
39,734
Reaction score
2,216
Why do people automatically default to politics when the matter of equality is introduced? The gestures from athletes take nothing away from the entertainment value of the game.

Equal rights is not a political stance; it’s a barometer for morality.

Simple. Because politics is how laws get changed that measure equality.
 

cheesebeef

Registered User
Supporting Member
Joined
Jan 2, 2003
Posts
68,644
Reaction score
26,743
Segregation of the 1950s and 1960s is not that long ago.

The Civil Rights Act didn't happen until 1964 and the Voting Rights Act didn't occur until 1965. Laws change quicker than the minds of men as they pass their thoughts and ideas to younger generations.

Again change happens in steps... not all at one time. Change will assuredly happen.

gay people were only given the right to employment without discrimination THIS year. They only got the right to marry 5 years ago. Change happens. Slowly but surely. The only way it doesn't is people trying to stop it or saying it's impossible... like @tnmike .
 

Mainstreet

Registered User
Supporting Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2003
Posts
75,428
Reaction score
19,983
gay people were only given the right to employment without discrimination THIS year. They only got the right to marry 5 years ago. Change happens. Slowly but surely. The only way it doesn't is people trying to stop it or saying it's impossible... like @tnmike .

I'd like to think tnmike will join as once he has a chance to digest it. I know I did at one time in my life.
 

cheesebeef

Registered User
Supporting Member
Joined
Jan 2, 2003
Posts
68,644
Reaction score
26,743
I'd like to think tnmike will join as once he has a chance to digest it. I know I did at one time in my life.

Mainstreet, do you remember how that change happened? I’m always curious when anyone has a bit of an awakening and why. Sometimes it’s because an issue will finally hit home for people personally or they do something themselves that awakens them to their own issues.
 

tnmike

Pro Bowler
Joined
Oct 22, 2006
Posts
828
Reaction score
665
Location
Nashville, TN
How about I start with Qualified Immunity and you can tell me why that law doesn't need to be changed?
let's define what qualified means. It means that not everyone will qualify for immunity. The court system will decide who qualifies and who doesn't. Just because you are a cop it doesn't mean you can't be held responsible for your actions if they are deemed to be illegal. It also means that a mob can't be judge, jury , and executioner and lynch you. There has to be due process . So no it probably has portions that need to be amended but not dropped. The 1st thing I was taught in law school was , " What would a reasonable person do ?"
 

Mainstreet

Registered User
Supporting Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2003
Posts
75,428
Reaction score
19,983
Mainstreet, do you remember how that change happened? I’m always curious when anyone has a bit of an awakening and why. Sometimes it’s because an issue will finally hit home for people personally or they do something themselves that awakens them to their own issues.

It's a learning process and people have to be willing to change.

I was never knowingly racist or discriminatory but I grew up in a part of the country that was very racist and this type of behavior was the norm. The key word here is "knowingly." I grew up thinking certain behavior was normal not knowing it was racist. Some people are flat out born into it. I could relate to the parents of Steve Nash wanting him not to grow up in South Africa.

When I moved to Arizona, I was still young. Since the environment changed, there were not a lot of triggers to let me know my thinking was distorted. It really wasn't until I attended a black studies class at Arizona State did I start to realize I had a lot of things wrong. I learned that a lot of my thoughts were discriminatory without even knowing it because that's how I grew up. The key thing, I wanted the knowledge and was willing to act on it.

IMO, a lot of people who are racist or discriminate do not even know it. A lot of it is passed down from one generation to another. There may not even be much of a thought process to it unless one questions their thinking. It's always critical for a person to examine why they think the way they do.

Some people do embrace racism. Those are the ones that may never change. However, it's always worth the effort to give it a try.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top