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This is the only thread in the Cardinals forum for discussing social issues like protests. This will be P&R light as with the COVID thread.

You can discuss how social unrest is impacting the NFL but do not get personal or dogmatic.

If you are "totally out" on football or a team, then please don't post that over and over with each event.

If someone is "Totally out", don't attack them or be a smart ass that invites responses.

Basically treat everyone as your brother / sister please.
 

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This is the only thread in the Cardinals forum for discussing social issues like protests. This will be P&R light as with the COVID thread.

You can discuss how social unrest is impacting the NFL but do not get personal or dogmatic.

If you are "totally out" on football or a team, then please don't post that over and over with each event.

If someone is "Totally out", don't attack them or be a smart ass that invites responses.

Basically treat everyone as your brother / sister please.
If we treated everyone like my sisters and me, it would actually be worse than P&R! Lol. Point received nonetheless.
 

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Not really interested in debating anything other than football. All I will say is that there is no more coddled person in America than the "Star Athlete", and most of these guys have been getting preferential treatment since high school. It's going to be very tough for anyone to care about their "stance" or any silly sports protests, unless it starts with "We are donating our game checks, or this % of our outrageous salary. They also need to be careful about boycotts or sitting out games, because if there is one thing quarantine has taught us, is that something else will come along to fill people's time and TV watching. Baseball is being played and no one cares. NBA playoffs are going on and largely no one cares. Football needs to get fans interested in the product on the field.
 

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I don't think this is good, or the right place.

Exactly, and that's ten fold then on a actual football field where the very reason we care who these guys are, black or white, is their athletic ability and not their political stance
 

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Nope that's how you get a one month ban.

Deliberately trolling will get you a quick hook

Social issues and the NFL.

If it isn't NFL related it doesn't belong here
 

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Not really interested in debating anything other than football. All I will say is that there is no more coddled person in America than the "Star Athlete", and most of these guys have been getting preferential treatment since high school. It's going to be very tough for anyone to care about their "stance" or any silly sports protests, unless it starts with "We are donating our game checks, or this % of our outrageous salary.

You realize you just made the argument that Black people need to donate their salaries and in essence PAY in order to try and get equal rights.

do you not realize how repugnant if an idea that is?
 

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You realize you just made the argument that Black people need to donate their salaries and in essence PAY in order to try and get equal rights.

do you not realize how repugnant if an idea that is?

No I didn't. I said professional athletes...people FIRMLY in the 1% of the wealthiest Americans...need to do something tangible to help solve the problem they see. "Boycotting" a game and not playing, while sitting on a few million dollars doesn't do anything to help the people actually suffering that injustice. You could argue it hurts owners, or TV networks...but what impact does not playing an NBA game have for the common man?

Garbage men, or people that work at the electric company not going to work would have 50X the impact of some rich professional athlete sitting out a game. Every single athlete who is deciding to protest could also easily donate 1% of their salary and basically fund a youth team...or a rec center...or whatever. I'm not saying some of them don't...but that means more than just talk.

AND...if they are going to talk, they should be going to city council meetings and addressing issues in their cities. The Milwaukee Bucks sitting out a game does nothing....the Bucks showing up to the local city council meeting and proposing actual change not only gets national headlines and bring attention...it actually bring action with it.
 

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No I didn't. I said professional athletes...people FIRMLY in the 1% of the wealthiest Americans...need to do something tangible to help solve the problem they see. "Boycotting" a game and not playing, while sitting on a few million dollars doesn't do anything to help the people actually suffering that injustice. You could argue it hurts owners, or TV networks...but what impact does not playing an NBA game have for the common man?

Garbage men, or people that work at the electric company not going to work would have 50X the impact of some rich professional athlete sitting out a game. Every single athlete who is deciding to protest could also easily donate 1% of their salary and basically fund a youth team...or a rec center...or whatever. I'm not saying some of them don't...but that means more than just talk.

AND...if they are going to talk, they should be going to city council meetings and addressing issues in their cities. The Milwaukee Bucks sitting out a game does nothing....the Bucks showing up to the local city council meeting and proposing actual change not only gets national headlines and bring attention...it actually bring action with it.

you keep saying people need to pay to try and get equal rights and then say you’re not saying that. You’re also then telling those people HOW else they need to push for equal rights. How about instead of telling people what and how to act, YOU actually LISTEN for once?

Because if you listened to them, you would have the opinion that the boycotts are worthless because it’s clearly apparent have completely ignore things the players accomplished with the boycott. Lije getting owners to open up all as polling stations on Election Day, getting owners to put money towards educating people about social justice causes/educating people how and where to vote via advertising during games in the bubble, standing up for millions of voiceless minorities and sending a message to kids watching that we will not take this lying down, starting conversations ALL OVER THE COUNTRY like these to raise awareness.
 

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Not really interested in debating anything other than football. All I will say is that there is no more coddled person in America than the "Star Athlete", and most of these guys have been getting preferential treatment since high school. It's going to be very tough for anyone to care about their "stance" or any silly sports protests, unless it starts with "We are donating our game checks, or this % of our outrageous salary. They also need to be careful about boycotts or sitting out games, because if there is one thing quarantine has taught us, is that something else will come along to fill people's time and TV watching. Baseball is being played and no one cares. NBA playoffs are going on and largely no one cares. Football needs to get fans interested in the product on the field.

AZman5103 respectfully, I'll say that's teetering perilously close to the ol "shut up and dribble" mantra tossed out a few years ago. Because these cats are rich and make more in a year than most of us will make in 10, does that mean they should not take a "stance" as you say? If you listen to most of them, they acknowledge their position of privilege, but also want to speak on behalf of those in their communities from which they may have came who aren't as lucky to have their influence or money. These people are human beings, and the majority, black men at the end of the day. I'm about my sports no doubt, but I'm not going to get up in arms over them speaking their mind. I appreciate it to be honest. Sitting out a few games as the Bucks and NBA did the other day was about bringing attention to the issues. They're back playing now, but their point, whether you agree or not was made.
 

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AZman5103 respectfully, I'll say that's teetering perilously close to the ol "shut up and dribble" mantra tossed out a few years ago. Because these cats are rich and make more in a year than most of us will make in 10, does that mean they should not take a "stance" as you say? If you listen to most of them, they acknowledge their position of privilege, but also want to speak on behalf of those in their communities from which they may have came who aren't as lucky to have their influence or money. These people are human beings, and the majority, black men at the end of the day. I'm about my sports no doubt, but I'm not going to get up in arms over them speaking their mind. I appreciate it to be honest. Sitting out a few games as the Bucks and NBA did the other day was about bringing attention to the issues. They're back playing now, but their point, whether you agree or not was made.

not only was their point made, but they got the billionaire owners to contribute even more to the cause by way of opening up stadiums for voting as well as ponying up money for ad campaigns supporting BLM and educating people how and where to vote.
 
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